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March 22, 2012, 05:04:02 pm

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providing oil to a turbo
« on: March 22, 2012, 05:04:02 pm »
I have the vnt, and I swore prothe had a td oil filter flange... But I cannot find it anywhere on his myriad of sites. Isn't there a spot on the head I can work from? Any other ideas?

Reply #1March 22, 2012, 05:13:22 pm

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Re: providing oil to a turbo
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2012, 05:13:22 pm »
I have the vnt, and I swore prothe had a td oil filter flange... But I cannot find it anywhere on his myriad of sites. Isn't there a spot on the head I can work from? Any other ideas?

not enough volume from the head port..

modify a n/a filter flange!
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #2March 22, 2012, 05:18:38 pm

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Re: providing oil to a turbo
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2012, 05:18:38 pm »
Couldn't you just use the n/a filter stand and use a "t" fitting for the pressure sensor? I'm assuming the n/a stand has an access hole directly above the filter?
2006 Jetta TDI - gtb1749v, Malone 2, Frank's Titan 2 cam, VR6 clutch....
1991 Jetta TD - sold :(
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Reply #3March 22, 2012, 05:21:15 pm

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Re: providing oil to a turbo
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2012, 05:21:15 pm »
Couldn't you just use the n/a filter stand and use a "t" fitting for the pressure sensor? I'm assuming the n/a stand has an access hole directly above the filter?

usually there is a secondary, plugged port on it also..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #4March 22, 2012, 06:05:16 pm

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Re: providing oil to a turbo
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2012, 06:05:16 pm »
I drilled and tapped my N/A flange to 1/4" NPT.

Reply #5March 22, 2012, 06:11:13 pm

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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2012, 06:11:13 pm »
I drilled and tapped my N/A flange to 1/4" NPT.
yes i reckon it might go this way. i'll attempt to figure it out.
thanks for the mount lucas!

Reply #6March 22, 2012, 06:20:06 pm

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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2012, 06:20:06 pm »
The AHU TDI engine used the head for supplying oil to the turbo.  The oil line threads into the same port that the oil pressure sensor uses.  I bet it would work fine on the 1.6 also.
Toyota truck 4x4 with Mtdi, M-vnt gt1749va, 11mm pump, fmic, smog .216 nozzles.  Sold!
Working on 1993 4runner mtdi, gtb1756vk, 11mm pump, smog .216 nozzles, custom 1" thick adaptor plate, pd150 intake manifold.

Reply #7March 22, 2012, 07:10:26 pm

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Re: providing oil to a turbo
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2012, 07:10:26 pm »
The AHU TDI engine used the head for supplying oil to the turbo.  The oil line threads into the same port that the oil pressure sensor uses.  I bet it would work fine on the 1.6 also.


AHU had a WAY DIFFERENT oiling system than the 1.6. chain driven high volume oil pump.

im going to stand by what i said.. i dont think the old 1.6 will supply enough volume to the head port..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #8March 22, 2012, 07:12:57 pm

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Re: providing oil to a turbo
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2012, 07:12:57 pm »
I don't think I would trust a head supply either, but I was thinking the AHU was the same as the AAZ block wise? I know the ALH has the chain pump, but did the AHU?

Like I said, I never saw much oil to the cam in the head, so it woud scare me to run it there. Also, IIRC the head is last to see the oil, so running it off the flange should be cleaner oil if nothing else.

Reply #9March 22, 2012, 07:31:58 pm

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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2012, 07:31:58 pm »
ROR, you're thinking of the ALH.  AHU was an AAZ block with a crank sensor added.  

5/16" OD steel tubing (brake line) works as oil supply line with the stock VNT turbo oil supply fitting/nut and part# 52215K507 from McMaster.  Drilling the filter flange to NPT and using an NPT to 5/16" compression fitting and a tubing bender would get it done.  Done forget to add at least one anti-vibration clamp to the line.  Also easy to make using sheet metal and a short piece of 5/16 ID hose.
Nicely said Libby.  Anything I build now I use #4 Stainless steel braided line.  My compound build uses one feed off the oil filter stand and the other turbo is fed from the back of the head.  I primed the engine before I fired it up and I got tons of oil flow from both lines.
Toyota truck 4x4 with Mtdi, M-vnt gt1749va, 11mm pump, fmic, smog .216 nozzles.  Sold!
Working on 1993 4runner mtdi, gtb1756vk, 11mm pump, smog .216 nozzles, custom 1" thick adaptor plate, pd150 intake manifold.

Reply #10March 22, 2012, 07:36:58 pm

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Re: providing oil to a turbo
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2012, 07:36:58 pm »
sorry.. my bad!

that kinda embarrasses me a little bit..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #11March 22, 2012, 07:46:18 pm

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Re: providing oil to a turbo
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2012, 07:46:18 pm »

  I primed the engine before I fired it up and I got tons of oil flow from both lines.

so this means i can use the head or no?
i'm not sure about the drill tap.
also, does the brake line bolt directly to the VNT?

Reply #12March 22, 2012, 09:23:18 pm

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Re: providing oil to a turbo
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2012, 09:23:18 pm »
 Yes, I used 5/16" brake line for my VNT 15.
 Drilled 1/8" NPT and got a compression fitting from Napa.
 The stock fitting on the VNT will accept 5/16" brake line in it's compression fitting.
Tornado red, '91 Golf 4 door, with M-TDI 12mm pump, south bend clutch, VNT-15 turbo, 02A trany
MK4s: 2000 TDI jetta, 2003 TDI wagon, 2000 golf 2.0 gasser.
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Reply #13March 22, 2012, 11:50:55 pm

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Re: providing oil to a turbo
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2012, 11:50:55 pm »
... so this means i can use the head or no?...

Especially if you're using a stock pump on a factory '85 Golf/Jetta 1.6, I'd agree with theman53, inasmuch as the cam and valvetrain need all the oil pressure & volume that finds its way up there to the head. Sometimes even that's not enough.:(

The filter flange is a much better source from which to lube the turbo on a 1.5 or 1.6. Going to a higher volume pump might be of benefit also.

J.R.
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Reply #14March 23, 2012, 07:15:54 am

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Re: providing oil to a turbo
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2012, 07:15:54 am »
I forgot to mention;
 the Rabbit oil filter flanges don't work with the oil cooler sandwich plate.

 The seal surface isn't wide enough.
 If you are going to drill/tap a filter flange, use a later one with the wider seal surface so you can put an air-to-oil cooler on it.
Tornado red, '91 Golf 4 door, with M-TDI 12mm pump, south bend clutch, VNT-15 turbo, 02A trany
MK4s: 2000 TDI jetta, 2003 TDI wagon, 2000 golf 2.0 gasser.
'84 Rabbit with 1.7TD KY block pistons bored to 80mm, VNT-15
'84 GTI with stock 1.6TD starion intercooler.