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February 22, 2012, 10:36:14 am

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Finally Replacing the Injection Pump, Any tips?
« on: February 22, 2012, 10:36:14 am »
So after 3 years of a dripping injection pump, I pulled the timing cover the other day to find my timing belt covered in diesel and a crack down the middle. I bought a pump from 8-valves of fury a few months ago and have been putting off replacing the leaking pump. Does anyone have any advise on performing this leap? P.S. I have the timing tools and pump dial gauge and I have done the timing belt 40,000 miles ago. 

Reply #1February 22, 2012, 10:58:52 am

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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2012, 10:58:52 am »




Take the cam/valve cover off and get the engine to TDC by getting a 19mm triple point  or a 13/16" normal socket on the crank pulley bolt. Rotate it clockwise until you get your cam lookin like this;



and you can see this in the timing hole;



At this point you can loosen the 15mm tensioner nut and pop the belt off, it probably won't come off to easily so I like to take the camshaft pulley off at this point to ease my troubles. 19mm socket. Either of these tools will work in holding the camshaft when you undo the camshaft nut.





Just whatever you do, do not use the cam lock at the end of the cam to hold it while you crank on that bolt.. it will snap the end of the cam off or worse.

Next I would remove the hard fuel lines from the motor with a 17mm wrench. Remove your existing rubber fuel lines from the pump as well, also 17mm.

With the belt off, you will be able to remove the injection pump's pulley. I use my pump lock to hold the pulley while I crank off that 19mm nut. With the pulley off, you can then undo the 4 13mm bolts holding the injection pump to the injection pump bracket. 3 on the face where the pulley was, and one on the rear of the pump under where the fuel lines were.

Remove the pump and set it on the radiator support and undo the small flat screw on the back of the pump holding the cold start advance cable in.

DONE, reverse all that crap and put the other pump back in ;).

Snug the bolts up holding the pump in but don't tighten them as the pump will need rotating to adjust timing. When putting the pulley back on there is a mark on the outside lip of it that will need to point straight up for the pump to be aligned properly.

From this point on, it is the same as doing the timing belt more or less :).

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Reply #2February 22, 2012, 12:52:04 pm

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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2012, 12:52:04 pm »
Good pics my man,  But have you pegged for a Mt. Dew drinker not Sprite!

And can you come clean my engine to look that good?

Reply #3February 22, 2012, 04:56:45 pm

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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2012, 04:56:45 pm »
Good pics my man,  But have you pegged for a Mt. Dew drinker not Sprite!

And can you come clean my engine to look that good?

i think Jeremy took some of those pics.. and i think he is the sprite drinker.
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Reply #4February 22, 2012, 05:01:45 pm

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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2012, 05:01:45 pm »
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Good pics my man,  But have you pegged for a Mt. Dew drinker not Sprite!

And can you come clean my engine to look that good?

i think Jeremy took some of those pics.. and i think he is the sprite drinker.

First three are mine of the pump I resealed/built for srgtlord. ;). Rest are Vince's.

Dale, do assume Mt. Dew because I am a hyper/ADHD type of personality? lol I do not drink energy drinks, just have a hella good outlook on my day. lol why? because I'm high. On life brutha.

Reply #5February 22, 2012, 06:03:42 pm

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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2012, 06:03:42 pm »
Just be precautious as not to make a catastrophic mistake.  Turn the engine over by hand 3-4 times and then once more to be safe after installing everything make sure all the pump bolts are good and tight before you drive it and make sure the belt is tightened properly. U may want to change the crank cam and intermediate shaft seals while ur at it they're not too bad to do.  Take your time and double check everything. 
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Reply #6February 22, 2012, 07:36:23 pm

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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2012, 07:36:23 pm »
Dale, do assume Mt. Dew because I am a hyper/ADHD type of personality?

Well, ahhh yeah, that's it. 

Just remember some of us run that way without the carbonation.  Is a quart of coffee by 10 AM a bad thing?  Really??? 

Crap, I hate prune juice. 

Reply #7February 22, 2012, 10:10:48 pm

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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2012, 10:10:48 pm »
Whats wrong with using the cam locking plate? I have never heard of anyone breaking the camshaft when removing the sprocket.

Reply #8February 23, 2012, 05:03:22 am

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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2012, 05:03:22 am »
If you use the locking plate to remove and tighten completely the cam sproket nut you can break the slot off. There have been 2 threads very recently of people doing just that. Most times you can still use the cam, but timing it take extra measures and some are always worried about the seal if the broken part will eat away at it.

Reply #9February 23, 2012, 05:34:12 am

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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2012, 05:34:12 am »
Where can I get the cam holding tool? Ive read its supposedly only $10 but I have only found it for $50.

Reply #10February 23, 2012, 05:38:18 am

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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2012, 05:38:18 am »
you can make one if you have access to a drill, 3 bolts, flat stock, and are able to cut the flat stock in 2 pieces.

Reply #11February 23, 2012, 09:51:33 am

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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2012, 09:51:33 am »
Or the large crescent wrench on the cam lobe :) I have done it this way over 2 dozen times or more.

Reply #12February 23, 2012, 10:38:19 am

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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2012, 10:38:19 am »
IF  you shim the cam lockslide tightly - it is a safe proceedure.
I do it that way everytime.
And i use a wide blade putty knife tapped in underneath the lockslide.
Will be doing one today - and will shoot a pic or two.
It also serves to center the cam for the precise timing spec.


If you don't shim it - and just use the lockslide by itself - there is an amount of slack. Any slack allows the cam slot to only contact on 2 corners against the lockslide when force is applied. This will usually cause the damage described that others have had. The cam is cast and brittle iron.

Don't be fooled thinking your lockslide fits like a glove - most all have clearance tolerance for easier working. Install yours and then rotate cam/engine forth and back - and see the variance. When one seems to fit Tight - its usually because the cam is more to one side.


I wouldn't mind having a cam sprocket holder/rotater tool on the cheap tho.
Is there a DIY on making one - or just a thing you do by looking at a real one and going for it best you can ?

Reply #13February 23, 2012, 10:44:55 am

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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2012, 10:44:55 am »
Just wanted to add also

basically you're at the mercy of the last person who loosened/tightened the cam sprocket nut. And they "could" have started a fracture/crack in the cam slot doing it carelessly or roughly with just a bare lockslide.

In that scenario - you'd be doomed sooner or later most likely.
Take a good look at any cam slot you work on, beforehand.

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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2012, 05:52:29 pm »
I use a 3 inch Stanley door hinge for the cam lock it fits so snug I don't ever worry that I am not balanced.  Folded in half the match is perfect and it fits flat on the head.