No fuel in cold - filter probs (IDI)

[mtrans]

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or more here ,only elektric http://trueasset.org.uk/index.php?page=electric-heater-module
I have factory one draw 5 amp.

[Turftech]

The simplest solution is to add Howe's Diesel Treat to the fuel at each F/U.  With nothing but ULSD available now your pump will love you for it.  Most stations switch to "winter" diesel in winter, so it should have already been spiked with kerosene.  If you are on summer diesel and stuck in -20 temps (like Eddy) just add a litre of kerosene to the tank and wait a few minutes for the crystals to break up.  It may take a while for the new fuel to work through the filter, but a blow dryer or other non flame heat source will heat the filter housing.  Hot water works, but can cause all sorts of other issues in freezing weather.  I actually used a tiger torch to heat the fuel filters and tanks on a tractor stuck dead out in a field in -45C!  I do NOT recommend that for anyone but mad dogs and frozen mechanics in a hurry to get back to the warm shop...

I do like the look of those filter heaters though...  And I also have a generic fuel pump in front of the filter.  (John Deere 'Gator" 6x4 fuel pump)

[Smokey Eddy]

I added 1 litre of mineral spirits to 50 litres of diesel.
I'm going to hopefully find a lift pump tomorrow morning.

[belchfire]

The upper picture is the oil cooler that goes between the filter and housing. If someone could come up with end plates that would adapt it to a fuel heater, it would be a cool unit. I think that I need to go to the shop..........

[Smokey Eddy]

That WOULD be a cool heater. It wouldn't be hard to make plates for either end.

[Smokey Eddy]

The cheapest lift pump I could find was $65...

[R.O.R-2.0]

The upper picture is the oil cooler that goes between the filter and housing. If someone could come up with end plates that would adapt it to a fuel heater, it would be a cool unit. I think that I need to go to the shop..........

why would we need plates?

install it like it goes on the fuel filter housing.. run some coolant hoses to it from the engine. will locate your fuel filter 2" lower, but you will have a fuel heater..

use a long center tube, and nut just like the oil filter flange, then screw the filter on underneath it where the oil filter would go if it were being used as an oil cooler..

[81 vw pu]

The upper picture is the oil cooler that goes between the filter and housing. If someone could come up with end plates that would adapt it to a fuel heater, it would be a cool unit. I think that I need to go to the shop..........

Here's one that Frybrib sells.


http://www.frybrid.com/filters.htm

 I made one a few years ago with a cheap remote oil filter mount, a 4" 3/4x16 theaded pipe, vw oil cooler/heater and a 33281 wix fuel filter.

[R.O.R-2.0]

The upper picture is the oil cooler that goes between the filter and housing. If someone could come up with end plates that would adapt it to a fuel heater, it would be a cool unit. I think that I need to go to the shop..........

Here's one that Frybrib sells.


http://www.frybrid.com/filters.htm

 I made one a few years ago with a cheap remote oil filter mount, a 4" 3/4x16 theaded pipe, vw oil cooler/heater and a 33281 wix fuel filter.

yea, thats exactly what i was trying to describe..

[ORCoaster]

How much heat do you think you would loose to the system before the fuel reached the injectors?  One could insulate the lines but I don't think you can do much with the pump.  Spray it with foam insulation? 

I have one of those oil coolers that I not using yet so I may switch applications.  Presto change oh it is now a heater.  Could run the small line going to the radiator through it.  Just need time to make it work.  Thanks for another day in the driveway.

[R.O.R-2.0]

How much heat do you think you would loose to the system before the fuel reached the injectors?  One could insulate the lines but I don't think you can do much with the pump.  Spray it with foam insulation? 

I have one of those oil coolers that I not using yet so I may switch applications.  Presto change oh it is now a heater.  Could run the small line going to the radiator through it.  Just need time to make it work.  Thanks for another day in the driveway.

well, they make heated ware you can wrap around the injection lines, and i believe you can get a heater blanket of sorts for the injection pump..

and i dont think the radiator return line would work very good unless the cooler was down lower than the expansion tank. and having the cooler on the bottom of the stock fuel filter flange would keep it higher than the expansion tank..

[Turftech]

The cheapest lift pump I could find was $65...

Hey Eddy.  I got my JD pump off of an old, wrecked Gator utility vehicle.  I just looked up the price for a new one...  $157!  Maybe the JD dealer in Sumas has a used one?  Worth a try?  Get the relay as well if they do.  Alternately, I would think a frame rail mounted fuel pump from just about any fuel injected Japanese vehicle would also work.  Pick a Part?  I have seen electric fuel pumps on many cars over there...  If you want I could track something down for ya.

[R.O.R-2.0]

The cheapest lift pump I could find was $65...

Hey Eddy.  I got my JD pump off of an old, wrecked Gator utility vehicle.  I just looked up the price for a new one...  $157!  Maybe the JD dealer in Sumas has a used one?  Worth a try?  Get the relay as well if they do.  Alternately, I would think a frame rail mounted fuel pump from just about any fuel injected Japanese vehicle would also work.  Pick a Part?  I have seen electric fuel pumps on many cars over there...  If you want I could track something down for ya.

fuel injection pumps run alot more than 5-7 psi tho..

if you were to get an electric pump, get one from a CARBURATED vehicle.. not fuel injected. the fuel pump will take the high pressure, but im not sure the lines or anything like that would accept the 50+ psi..

[Turftech]

fuel injection pumps run alot more than 5-7 psi tho..

if you were to get an electric pump, get one from a CARBURATED vehicle.. not fuel injected. the fuel pump will take the high pressure, but im not sure the lines or anything like that would accept the 50+ psi..

A carburated pump would be best of course, but I don't see the filter and fuel lines having trouble with ~30 to 50 psi. That isn't much really, and new clamps/lines should be installed anyway.  Most Toyota and Nissan EFI's ran ~40 psi.  Safe IMO.  Besides, I have done much the same on countless tractors without even changing the lines.  Perhaps the banjo fitting on the filter might be an issue...  I'll give you that.  But 30-50 psi is diddly. 

[RadoTD]

The problem you run into is blowing seals out of the injection pump. They were never meant to be fed pressure... 4-8psi is fine, but 40-50 will cause problems