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#15
by
Mark(The Miser)UK
on 30 Sep, 2011 18:35
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it does smoke on first start up but once its driven, not even 100 yrds. its smoke free. True, it'll fart and studder on first start
Good to get the truth 'straight from the horses mouth' - different story to what others were saying.
That is exactly the same as mine runs and I'm not prepared to live with it - it looks and sounds awful.
I'm on 2 notch but worried that 1 notch may just get the pistons and valves untited - or is there lots of clearance?
The other problem is that step where 1.6 bore meets the 1.9 chamber and the squish is all wrong - that cant help combustion.
I've hopefully got a spare cold advance cam on the way, I'll re-profile that to give a few degrees more advance over stock
I really don't want to go for a block heater its not convenient - besides it doesn't get cold enough here to even warrant pulling the cold advance on a stock motor
If this wasn't the racing forum, I'd say that the big head on a little body seems like a bodge.
After all I don't think that block heaters were ever an option over here, and us Brits all live so close together, that smoking cars will soon get pulled over by the cops looking for easy work.
A 1.9 head on a 1.6 block drops compression ratio down to 18.5:1; and that's assuming optimum ring compression. Too low for perfect IDI startup I think.
Reg why did you not stick to the GTD pump and just turn up the power. I'm sure some of the Euro chaps have nearly 200HP.
I don't think squish squash quench squelch or whatever, applies to the IDI with a swirl chamber. This was CAD-man's favourite topic, but as far as I know all of the research was done on DI petrol engines, with an off cuff remark that it may apply to similarly constructed diesels.
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#16
by
regcheeseman
on 30 Sep, 2011 20:10
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Reg why did you not stick to the GTD pump and just turn up the power
Do you mean stick to the GTD head?
Ironically I never had a GTD pump at the time, the AAZ one is just fine.
I'm going to try the cold advance mod and if that doesn't work, I'll port the GTD head and return to that.
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#17
by
Smokey Eddy
on 01 Oct, 2011 00:09
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if you aren't using the correct thickness gasket for the deck of your block i would never expect any diesel to start in cold winter weather nevermind a reduced compression 1.9/1.6 engine.
before i blew mine up it worked great in the winter. possibly the best it ever did. Took a couple rotations to start but winterized diesel and maybe a spot of conditioner (cetane booster) in the tank and it was great.
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#18
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Mark(The Miser)UK
on 01 Oct, 2011 06:15
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Reg why did you not stick to the GTD pump and just turn up the power
Do you mean stick to the GTD head?
Ironically I never had a GTD pump at the time, the AAZ one is just fine.
I'm going to try the cold advance mod and if that doesn't work, I'll port the GTD head and return to that.
Holy cwap, I definitely meant the head; and as from your info, the GTD pump seems uprated to the 1.9 size, and therefore plenty of reserve power, yes the pump too. however the AAZ pump should be fine.
Not that you have many straight roads down your way to get any speed up ... I must be getting old.
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#19
by
regcheeseman
on 05 Oct, 2011 16:26
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Not that you have many straight roads down your way to get any speed up
Straight roads? Any retard can drive fast in a straight line
B road blasting is where the fun is!
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#20
by
8v-of-fury
on 05 Oct, 2011 17:10
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B-road blasting ftmfw
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#21
by
burn_your_money
on 05 Oct, 2011 18:15
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Did you use a 1.6 or a 1.9 headgasket? I would think that the 1.9 headgasket would drop your CR a fair bit
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#22
by
NintendoKD
on 05 Oct, 2011 22:50
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I am thinking of solving this pesky problem once and for all. Exhaust is hot, regardless of weather. I was trying to think of a kind of radiator/interheater to flow a small amount of exhaust gas while the engine is cold and have a choke, either manual or automatic that controls pressure flow. This will necessitate a fully wrapped exhaust to prevent heat from escaping, as well as our modified heat exchanger. A box, modified to work inline with the intake will have to be modified to channel the colder air to be heated by the exhaust heat exchanger. Furthermore, a new type of glow plug is in the works by yours truly with unique properties, and a way to fully heat the combustion chamber regardless of outside temperature. For the time being, a water heater in the lower portion of the block is very useful as the convection of heat rising through the coolant will assist in heating the components above freezing. insulating other portions of the motor from heat will indeed keep cold out as well as heat in, inessence keeping the engine as adiabatic as possible.
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#23
by
Mark(The Miser)UK
on 06 Oct, 2011 04:22
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I am thinking of solving this pesky problem once and for all. Exhaust is hot, regardless of weather. I was trying to think of a kind of radiator/interheater to flow a small amount of exhaust gas while the engine is cold and have a choke, either manual or automatic that controls pressure flow. This will necessitate a fully wrapped exhaust to prevent heat from escaping, as well as our modified heat exchanger. A box, modified to work inline with the intake will have to be modified to channel the colder air to be heated by the exhaust heat exchanger. Furthermore, a new type of glow plug is in the works by yours truly with unique properties, and a way to fully heat the combustion chamber regardless of outside temperature. For the time being, a water heater in the lower portion of the block is very useful as the convection of heat rising through the coolant will assist in heating the components above freezing. insulating other portions of the motor from heat will indeed keep cold out as well as heat in, inessence keeping the engine as adiabatic as possible.
Which problem are you curing with your exhaust; the lack of straight roads in SW England, or the big head on a little body curse?
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#24
by
regcheeseman
on 06 Oct, 2011 11:55
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I think your solution has missed the point a bit.
The most smoke problem only occurs when the motor is stone cold - in which case, so is the exhaust thus no heat returned.
I'm thinking now that upping the break pressure of the injectors might improve burn on the cold motor?
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if you aren't using the correct thickness gasket for the deck of your block i would never expect any diesel to start in cold winter weather nevermind a reduced compression 1.9/1.6 engine.
Eddy, you've missed the point too, for the sake of repeating myself, the motor starts fine, fires straight up, there is no reluctance to start - in fact it starts much better than most. Starting is not the issue.
The clouds of smoke that occur a fraction of a second after starting are the problem - the cold charge cools the (unpowered) glowplugs and the misfire/smoke starts. maybe I could let the plugs run on for a bit after startup?
or the big head on a little body curse?
Damn, do you know me? I was one of the shortest kids in my year but had 'an unfeasibly large head' as a friend quipped recently.
Unfortunately for my wife, this trait has been handed down and my 2 boys were born with massive heads too - one on the 97th percentile, the other on the 98th.
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#25
by
Alcaid
on 06 Oct, 2011 14:19
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Override button to manually control the glowing duration, easy peasy fix
Don't put on a strangled 1.6 head!
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#26
by
R.O.R-2.0
on 06 Oct, 2011 15:15
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i would try upping the break pressure.. finer atomized fuel burns easier.
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#27
by
8v-of-fury
on 06 Oct, 2011 15:27
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I have a big head as well.. But not out of proportions big. I feel for you.. Lol
I think an afterglow system setup with some of the Bosch Duraterm glowplugs will be the ticket. They are left on for up to 3 minutes in the aaz motors on the coldest of mornings. I once had my manual gp controller fail and leave the plugs on for well over a half hour (Duraterms) and they still to this day (1.5 years ago) start the car just fine.
I commonly leave them on for an extra 30 seconds on these last few cold mornings just to aid in warmup.
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#28
by
RabbitJockey
on 06 Oct, 2011 17:31
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an electronics guy like reg should easily be able to create a oem like solution, this is assuming that leaving the glow plugs on longer fixes the problem.
the smokey starts would not bother me, but understand it can be embarassing.
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#29
by
ORCoaster
on 06 Oct, 2011 17:51
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Aren't smokey, belching exhaust pipes on our cars our badge of honor? Mine no smoke unless I retard it a bunch. Then it is gag city. But I can't take the smell that thick so I make it run like he would like he wishes his would.