Can a 1.6 fit in a mk3?

[srgtlord]

How easy would it be to drop in a 1.6 from an mk2 into an mk3?

[burn_your_money]

Easy except for the power steering lines/pump, but they aren't that tricky. Oh and a minor bit of electrical but that depends what year mk2 you are talking about.

[8v-of-fury]

Is it a turbo diesel? I would never swap a non turbo 1.6 in to an mk3.. Not even an mk2 to be honest. 50hp is wayyy to low for anything heavier than a rabbit or early jetta.

A 1.6TD might be ok if you modified it, but stock I think you'll find it slow and boring quick in a heavy car. Even a 2.0L aba is kinda boring slow in a mk3.
So basically, unless you plan to hop it up I wouldn't advise it.

[nathan_b]

here is how I see it, 2.0s are capable of 30mpg consistantly.

1.6td in a mk3 tuned to the same level of performance is maybe worth 35mpg. and thats pushing it.

so, does is an engine swap warranted for a 5mpg increase?

or you could buy a great shape 2.0 motor for $150, if your motor is bad..

[burn_your_money]

Or you could install the 1.6TD and just drive it, not like you stole it an enjoy 40+ mpgs. The transmission you use will play a huge part in how the car feels

I've seen a 1.6na in a mk4 Jetta so this isn't that bad

[nathan_b]

its also illegal and will never pass emissions with an older engine in a newer car.

[burn_your_money]

That depends on your state though right? Do diesels even have emission testing in most states?

[8v-of-fury]

Don't think they give a crap about diesels in ontario.. Pretty much fair game up here in the GWN.

[nathan_b]

OP is in Massachusetts

[CRSMP5]

hey ive been runnign 1.6td in b3 passats since 02... i do not have emission issue here... also my wagon is a 90 so in theory.. they made a 1.6 diesel that year...

to be honest.. it runs really good.. 70-80mph fully loaded with 40mpg is not uncommon and 36 around town is no issue..

now in 01 when i went to pick up the 83td jetta my engine came from.. from madison wi at that, i took my 83td coupe to pick it up.. with a 2nd driver.. ill admit the new td was faster.. had many miles of drag racing thru toll booths and such to know there was a huge differance in how the 2 ran.. so with that.. it is stock no mods still.. but one of the better runners

so yes it can be done..

[R.O.R-2.0]

That depends on your state though right? Do diesels even have emission testing in most states?

i know oregon and washington dont give a SH## what motor is in what car if its a diesel.. they ARE emissions exempt AFAIK.. idk if cali even tests the pre-TDIs..

and Bryan has a mk3 with a 1.6TD in it (with a sweet air to water intercooler setup).. but he is in canada, so i doubt he had to deal with anything besides passing inspection..

[bajacalal]

That depends on your state though right? Do diesels even have emission testing in most states?

Technically, it's illegal at the federal (EPA) level, to put an engine into a car that is newer model than the engine.

However, not all states choose to enforce this and it's not something the federal government really seems to enforce either.

As far as Canada is concerned, I have no idea.

I would say that a non-turbo 1.6 in a mk3 would be so slow that it would be unsafe, given modern traffic conditions and the speeds at which other traffic would be traveling by comparison. A 1.6TD might be an option as there are other reasons than fuel economy alone that one might prefer a diesel engine.

Also, ROR, California does not currently test diesels 1997 and older. But, you would have to convince them to change the "G" on your title to a "D" to become smog check exempt if you do swap from a gas to a diesel. I've heard confliciting stories of that you simply ask them to do so all the way to having to go to a thorough inspection of the swap. They have, or at least had a program to certify cars with swapped engines for the correct emissions regime and they knew pretty well what to look for that wasn't legal, but mostly they were looking at people swapping 350s into Camaros and all the rice rocket Japanese stuff.

[8v-of-fury]

But, you would have to convince them to change the "G" on your title to a "D" to become smog check exempt if you do swap from a gas to a diesel. I've heard confliciting stories of that you simply ask them to do so all the way to having to go to a thorough inspection of the swap. They have, or at least had a program to certify cars with swapped engines for the correct emissions regime and they knew pretty well what to look for that wasn't legal, but mostly they were looking at people swapping 350s into Camaros and all the rice rocket Japanese stuff.

I painted and diesel swapped my car, took the ownership that was in my mothers name.. and without any identification or proof of owning the vehicle got a new ownership printed off with the colour changed and fuel type changed in under 30 seconds.. Just setting themselves up for fraud i tell you lol

[bajacalal]

They put the color on your car paperwork??? 

[R.O.R-2.0]

They put the color on your car paperwork??? 

yup, color, fuel type, amount of doors, weight.. yadda yadda..