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May 06, 2011, 11:22:12 am

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1.9 timing
« on: May 06, 2011, 11:22:12 am »
Hey, I am in the works of timing my aaz motor and was using vince's guide, now I have a couple questions. It looks as if my aaz has the 2 piece pulley so instead of loosening the bolts on the backside of the pump I would loosen the three small bolts on the pulley to adjust my timing? Secondly does the gauge method work the same way as with the 1.6? I got a slightly high number I show my pump is currently timed to 1.8mm I have confirmed my cam is good and my pump was locked with its timing mark and when I turn the motor over I show no binding which leads me to believe my crank is off the timing would this throw it out that much without showing sign's of binding (Motor ran before it was pulled from PO car)? Thanks for any Help guys, Aaron



Reply #1May 06, 2011, 12:12:06 pm

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Re: 1.9 timing
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2011, 12:12:06 pm »
your pump is timed with a 6mm pin i believe.. way different timing procedure than a 1.6...
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Reply #2May 06, 2011, 06:10:31 pm

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Re: 1.9 timing
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2011, 06:10:31 pm »
would any body be able to link/provide me with the procedure for this motor I would like to get it all timed and ready to go before I install it into my rabbit.
 
Thanks, Aaron

Reply #3May 06, 2011, 07:38:15 pm

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Re: 1.9 timing
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2011, 07:38:15 pm »
Super easy. Install the dial indicator and tool, set the engine to TDC .Loosen the three bolts and rotate the pump hub until you get the timing you want. Of course you want to check after turning the engine a couple of rotations, but if you think about how it's done, you will want that type of pump always
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Reply #4May 06, 2011, 07:50:38 pm

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Re: 1.9 timing
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2011, 07:50:38 pm »
So the procedure is the exact same just a different tool to lock the injection pump right? (which i figured out a small bar for a tap and die set works wonder's)

Reply #5May 06, 2011, 07:58:46 pm

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Re: 1.9 timing
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2011, 07:58:46 pm »
So the procedure is the exact same just a different tool to lock the injection pump right? (which i figured out a small bar for a tap and die set works wonder's)

thats the pin i was talking about..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #6May 06, 2011, 08:02:52 pm

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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2011, 08:02:52 pm »
so i am just going to confirm this all

1. set motor to tdc
2. install timing tool
3. turn motor counter clockwise until gauge stops spinning
4. zero the gauge
5. turn to tdc
6. adjust according to dial (3 small bolts on pulley face right?)

I do not want to eff this up :D

Thanks, Aaron

Reply #7May 06, 2011, 10:49:06 pm

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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2011, 10:49:06 pm »
Yes you just have to remember to move the 19 [? ] mm nut and hub to do the actual adjustment, not the pump or belt pulley
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Reply #8May 09, 2011, 01:04:28 pm

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Re: 1.9 timing
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2011, 01:04:28 pm »
So the procedure is the exact same just a different tool to lock the injection pump right? (which i figured out a small bar for a tap and die set works wonder's)

thats the pin i was talking about..

line everything up to TDC.. loosen the 3 bolts on the pump hub, twist pump till 6mm pin can be inserted in sprocket.

insert pin in sprocket..

tighten everything up and drive away!

(it really is this easy)
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #9May 09, 2011, 01:12:13 pm

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Re: 1.9 timing
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2011, 01:12:13 pm »
Vincent Waldon:
If your pump mounting holes aren't elongated then you probably have the 2-piece IP sprocket with 1 central bolt and three smaller ones around the outside?

If not... hmmmmm.... somethings wrong... you gotta have one or the other.

If so, your pump is  the later version of the AAZ that is pre-timed... no dial indicator required.  You'll see a slot in the top of the pulley where a 6-7mm drill bit will go into a hole in the pump body to set the correct timing.
If you look closely at the big nut in the centre of the pump sprocket you should see the classic yellow paint indicating a calibration adjustment.

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92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #10May 09, 2011, 06:11:29 pm

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Re: 1.9 timing
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2011, 06:11:29 pm »
Ok so I definitely have the newer injection pump so I will correct what I did then *doh* lol good thing the motor hasn't been run yet thanks for all the help and clarification everyone
Thanks, Aaron

Reply #11May 09, 2011, 09:29:35 pm

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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2011, 09:29:35 pm »
I timed a motor like that today and checked with a dail indicator and timing was like .85. timed it to 1.05 and it was much quieter and had a lot less smoke and more power.

Just a heads up, don't trust it fully.
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Reply #12May 10, 2011, 01:06:03 pm

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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2011, 01:06:03 pm »
pin still gets you close enough to run/start..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.