Author Topic: Renault 2.1 td (Read 12376 times)

lesharoturbo · « **on:** January 21, 2006, 06:28:22 pm »

I am looking for a 5 speed transmission to connect to this guy. It needs to be FWD and longitudinal mount. Since there are a lot of Canadians on this board, I thought one of them may be able to find a source. I do not know if the Trafic van was sent to Canada (83 to 86) but it has the correct tranny (NL-5) mounted behing a gas engine 2.2l. This endine was also available in the R21, and R25 but I do not know if it was longitudinal or transverse mount. Any help would be appreciated.

Bernie

bhtooefr · « **Reply #1 on:** January 21, 2006, 07:01:38 pm »

Hmm...

IIRC, the Le Sharo 2.1TD was only available with a 4 speed manual.

However... Jeep used the same engine in the 1985-1987 Cherokee and 1986-1987 Comanche (pickup version of the Cherokee), and mated it to a 5 speed.

lesharoturbo · « **Reply #2 on:** January 21, 2006, 07:16:11 pm »

You are correct to a point. One year the hte gas engine had a 5 speed option, but they are hard to find. From what I understand, the Trafic was outfitted with 5 speeds from 84 on. The Le Sharo was based on the Trafic van. I also have read that teh Renault R25 TD/GTD had the same engine with a 5 speed but I am not sure what the designation of the tranny is. Some say it was also a NL-5. :roll: I have also read that the NL-5 has the same top gear ration but a different final drive and therefore not much different, but this information comes from a guy who makes his living swapping Chrysler V6's and 4 speed auto's into the Le Sharo. I am not sure if he is being totaly honest. I wish I could find the ratios for bo0th tranny's, but endless Google searches have not turned up anything.

Bernie

zyewdall · « **Reply #3 on:** January 22, 2006, 11:23:09 am »

How about a volkswagen fox? Or some sort of Audi transmission? They are five speed and fwd longitudinal mount. But I doubt they will match up to a Renault engine, or be the correct gearing for an RV (if this is still the RV you are talking about)

Zeke

lesharoturbo · « **Reply #4 on:** January 22, 2006, 12:08:05 pm »

Yes, it is the RV. I have looked at some other tranny's that face the same direction and the best would either be the Fox 5 speed PSA or the Quantum 9Q Both would have a taller top gear and better ratios in 1,2,3. I do not know if they will fit behind the renault engine or not. The only problem I can see is the weight of the RV versus the weight of the cars. The RV weighs close to 7000 lbs and the cars are about 2500 lbs. If anyone has hthe bolt pattern to either transmission and input shaft size I have a spare engine I could try to match it up to.

My other idea is to replace the engine with a 1.9l VW and Quantum 5 speed if they mate together. My engine is still good at this point, so I don't really see a reason to go this way.

Bernie

Kudagra · « **Reply #5 on:** March 19, 2006, 09:05:16 pm »

Quote from: "bhtooefr"

Hmm...

IIRC, the Le Sharo 2.1TD was only available with a 4 speed manual.

However... Jeep used the same engine in the 1985-1987 Cherokee and 1986-1987 Comanche (pickup version of the Cherokee), and mated it to a 5 speed.

What engine are you thinking of? Jeep (In US) used a 2.5 4cyl AMC and a 2.8 Gm v6 (garbage).

bhtooefr · « **Reply #6 on:** March 19, 2006, 09:42:46 pm »

I'm referring to the diesel option, not the gassers.

Kudagra · « **Reply #7 on:** March 19, 2006, 11:07:55 pm »

Quote from: "bhtooefr"

I'm referring to the diesel option, not the gassers.

I wanst aware of a diesel option. Still hoping you are referring to non US....and if so...I wonder if it will mate to my 91 Cherokee Auto trans.

bhtooefr · « **Reply #8 on:** March 20, 2006, 09:05:54 am »

I'm referring to the diesel option in the Cherokee, Wagoneer, and Comanche.

The US-spec versions of those models.

VERY very limited quantities, though. The point of these was not to sell diesels to people, it was to increase their CAFE averages.

You'll be better off doing a Cummins 4BT conversion, I suspect.

Kudagra · « **Reply #9 on:** March 20, 2006, 10:35:51 am »

Quote from: "bhtooefr"

I'm referring to the diesel option in the Cherokee, Wagoneer, and Comanche.

The US-spec versions of those models.

VERY very limited quantities, though. The point of these was not to sell diesels to people, it was to increase their CAFE averages.

You'll be better off doing a Cummins 4BT conversion, I suspect.

Im sure a cummins would be better but old 751 bobcats came with Poo-jets and Im sure I can pick one up for nothing.

I wanst aware of mid 80s diesel Cherokees. Learn somethin new everyday.

houseofdiesel · « **Reply #10 on:** April 25, 2006, 01:46:35 pm »

Your not going to find any 5 speed transmissions to mate the Renault td here in North America. You will have to import a trans from Europe. 5 speed gas trannies are a myth at best, I have yet to see one exist (I own an 84 TD Lesharo).
The Jeep came with various engine options over the mid eighties, Isuzu at one point, Renault at one point, maybe another option I forget the specifics. The Renault options were over runs from a french military order I was told. Very poor engine for most people, few lasted past 100k miles, the oil pump driveshafts failed and seized the engines. They came either 5 speed or auto, the few I have seen (parts cars) were all 4wd. Very expensive parts, a rebuild would cost $5-6000 or more if the engine needs a complete job (rockers, cam, pistons etc).
Very nice engine though when running well, great economy in the motorhome (25mpg US gallon), good hill climbing power with turbo boost, very clean burning (much cleaner then Mercedes diesels of the time and tighter sound then VW-very quiet). Not alot of torque though, similar to VW that way (Mercedes had way more torque, same with Toyota). I have owned MANY different diesels...except Nissan (drove a 1984 pick up 720 model once, very quick!) or Peugeot, pretty much all the others.
Greg

lesharoturbo · « **Reply #11 on:** April 26, 2006, 07:59:21 pm »

Greg,
Nice to see another LeSharo owner! I have 2 an 84 and an 85 both TD's plus a spare engine/tranny in the barn. I have found some sources for 5 speeds, but they are all in Europe.

My 85 has a little white smoke at startup but runs clean after about 5-10 mins.

The 84 has not run in a few years, i bought it mainly for parts, but it is complete.

Thanks to the tips here, I have made some adjustments that have been very helpful.

Bernie

houseofdiesel · « **Reply #12 on:** April 27, 2006, 12:38:47 pm »

Well your lucky to have a parts Lesharo, I wish I had room for one but too many project cars around for that...
Check your injection timing, glow plugs, valve adjustment, injector spray pattern on the LS, it shouldn't smoke at all mine you cannot even tell it is running when your behind it no exhaust smoke visible, very slight fogging at night with headlights behind me at full throttle but the driver behind me cannot see it. I am going to increase fueling slightly once I get around to some guages (EGT, boost, oil temp). I just don't drive it enough to bother yet...

lesharoturbo · « **Reply #13 on:** April 28, 2006, 10:11:34 pm »

Yeah, I think my glows plugs may be weak because I have to hold the pedal to the floor to start it. After it starts, I get a big puff of grey smoke then it will run fine.

I have made some injection mods and they are a trememdous help. Hills i would creep up at 30 -35 mph I can now cruise at 45 - 50 easy with good EGT's and a little black smoke.

I need to replace my exhaust with a 2.5 or 2.75 inch before making more adjustments.

I got some ISSPRO gauges (EGT and boost) for about $160 for the pair. The intake already has a nipple for the boost gauge which I put in the ash tray and the EGT I put in the instrument cluster after a little modding of course.

I'll post some pics after i get them hosted.

Bernie

lesharoturbo · « **Reply #14 on:** April 28, 2006, 11:22:27 pm »

OK here's my first post try.