W/pump failed/leaked engine overheated, won't start

[dieselherb1]

Okay, got a 1.6D, w/pump failed or leaked(haven't pulled it yet) engine overheated stalled. Won't start now. You're thoughts, I have never run across a 1.6 overheated. Had a TDI same problem but I resurfacd head and back on the road.

[motomike33y]

How long did you drive it before it 'stalled'?  It may have seized, at least momentarily, so anticipate at least a honing and rings.  Check the compression to be sure before a tear-down.  My brother drove one too long one time when he didn't realize that the broken belt meant no water circulation. 

[dieselherb1]

Its not seized turns over fine. Sounds like it wants to start. Don't know if there is any water in the block, water in overflow.

[Wayland]

How badly did it overheat, ie how long did you drive with the temp needle at max?

[Rabbit on Roids]

its already screwed, give it a little shot of ether and see if it runs. or just take a compression test. does it smoke grey out the tail pipe when you crank on it? i would bet the head is either REALLY MESSED UP, or the cylinders got wiped out. diesels dont like overheating. its hell on the heads and prechambers.

[dieselherb1]

Maybe 5 minutes, then it dieseled to no power. It looks like the w/pump leaked all the water out.But there was no sign of leak on the ground where it was parked. I'll try the ether. I have a 89 Jetta engine I planned to turbo but wasn't going to put it in this truck though. It would make it a pleasure to drive. I'm spoiled by the TDIs. Hard to drive a N/A.

[Wayland]

5 minutes is a long time to overheat an engine.

[Rabbit on Roids]

then it dieseled to no power? like how you would think of a gas engine dieseling? run-on/run backwards?

i bet at very minimum you are looking at buying a new head, if not a whole new engine. once you lose the belt, you get about a half mile before the coolant is boiling. I HAD COOLANT IN MINE AND IT STILL OVER HEATED IN A HALF MILE!!! i knew i lost my belt tho, so i coasted down the hill part, then used as little throttle as possible to get up the other side and into my driveway. i bet that was about 2.5 minutes maybe, with coolant in it, and it still boiled the antifreeeze. so if you ran it for 5 minutes with nothing, i would bet your engine is toast. give it a shot of ether and see if it fires. a small spray tho, long enough to push the button down on the can and then let it up.

if you could get it running again, i would be willing to bet the bottom end is fine. ether is usually a no-no on a diesel, and im usually the first one to tell someone not to use it, but in your case, not much damage can result from it, there is already plenty of that.

[Baron VonZeppelin]

It looks like the w/pump leaked all the water out.

Herb, you really should invest in coolant level sensor circuits for all those Trucks of yours. Small investment compared to headgasket r&r / new engines.

Our member Fatmobile makes an Mk1 Diesel add-on circuit for $20 that is super easy to install. I just put one into my Truck this week.
It also doubles as an overheat warning.

All you need beyond what he supplies is a tank that has the sensor, and the plug-in for the sensor with some wire left on it to splice to.
(Like 85-90 mk2 version).

I bought new tank and sensor because i wanted fresh clean stuff.
I'm going to do an install for dummies (my level and lower) write up with pix sometime soon.

You can use an internal cluster mounted red flasher LED (supplied), a remote flasher LED ($5 Oreillys) mounted wherever you want, Or Both.
I went with Both.

I also upgraded the internal dash cluster LED to multicolor LED (reg-green-blue) for extra $2. It do be WILD. Love It.

I'm probably the only Truck owner on the Diesel boards with coolant level/overheat warning right now. So my truck is better than anyone elses truck !    [insert the bronx cheer]

[smutts]

Sorry, but I am with the "It will be shagged" club. The coolant level sensors are excellent, and have saved me three engines so far. When the fan belt broke on mine, (red generator light!) the NO COOLANT!!! light was less than half a mile later. Pity it was -12C in the middle of nowhere. Yup heater won't work with no belt. When the AA finally turned up with another belt 2hrs later, they asked me where I lived, I couldn't remember. One doesn't expect to freeze to death in Cornwall.

[theman53]

I am with them too...but I say it ain't dead till its dead try to whip that puppy into shape. I have done something similar, but I shut it down it didn't kill itself. It continued for a long while. Good luck and let us know.

[fatmobile]

Turn it over by hand, with a socket on the crank bolt,
 to see how hard it turns over.

Check fuel supply and timing.

[dieselherb1]

Turns over fine sounds like it almost will start. Tried a little ether,nothing. This is a good reason to install the 89 Jetta engine I have with a TDI turbo and 5 sp trans. The only thing I liked about the eng. in it was the A/C(but the Jetta engine has A/C too)

[fatmobile]

Turn it over by hand, with a socket on the crank bolt,
 to see how hard it turns over.

Check fuel supply and timing.

Or don't