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chromoly lighter stronger better faster
by
NintendoKD
on 01 Jun, 2010 01:08
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looking for chromoly components and their vendors/manufacturers for our engines. More specifically for the 1.6 TD. Anyone? I found maxspeedingrods, but wonder if there is anyone else competition etc. As well as other components. I may have someone make me a forged CNC AAZ cyl. head as well, but before he will do it he wants interest ......... LOTS! of interest
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#1
by
truckinwagen
on 01 Jun, 2010 01:24
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I want to say that Crower makes rods for the 1.6, but they are X-beam(good for high RPM, but not as strong as H-beam) and cost around $800 a set.
as for the head, a cast iron one would be more than sufficient(and cheaper most likley) and I would love to have a steel(or iron) head, but the cost would likely turn me away from such an item.
the cost of the crower rods has kept me away, because $800 is alot of money to put into other parts of the motor, and likely the thousands that an iron head from a limited run would do the same to most on here.
-Owen
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#2
by
Rabbit on Roids
on 01 Jun, 2010 09:12
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there is someone i have heard of that has a cast iron headed 1.6 and is running like 80 psi boost? i heard that somewhere. not sure as to how accurate it is, i never saw it.
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#3
by
NintendoKD
on 01 Jun, 2010 10:26
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buisness is bad and some machinist's are hard up for work, I bet if we bought all of the raw materials my guy will work with us.
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#4
by
truckinwagen
on 01 Jun, 2010 11:12
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a ballpark estimate would still be needed from the machinist before anyone even thinks about getting an iron head.
what you should do is talk to your machinist friend and see what the cost per head(including materials would be) for a run of 10 heads, 20 heads, etc...
then we can all make a decision about wether we want to save up our pennies for one.
-Owen
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#5
by
RabbitJockey
on 01 Jun, 2010 14:42
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it'd be cool to see some iron heads. i doubt it is remotely cost effective tho. it will be interesting to see. but how much is a new aluminum head?
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#6
by
rallydiesel
on 01 Jun, 2010 14:51
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You can buy a new casting for around $300.
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#7
by
NintendoKD
on 01 Jun, 2010 19:12
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Ok, so here is the deal, he needs junk head/cad of the heads we want as a pattern to take a look at for prototyping. He suggested that chromoly would not be cost effective and that stell would serve our purposes much better, and it could be possible if he can take a look at the water jacket. I'm thinking a run of mech aaz heads and hydro aaz heads, what do you guys think?
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#8
by
burn_your_money
on 01 Jun, 2010 19:23
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there is someone i have heard of that has a cast iron headed 1.6 and is running like 80 psi boost? i heard that somewhere. not sure as to how accurate it is, i never saw it.
I can assure you that such a beast does exist. I'm not sure how much boost he is running though. He's a member on the board and I don't want to go spoiling someones secrets so I won't say more then that.
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#9
by
carrizog60
on 02 Jun, 2010 05:00
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how much power do you think he can squeeze out of that iron ***?
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#10
by
truckinwagen
on 02 Jun, 2010 10:50
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pretty sure you could make alot of power with an iron head, it moves the weak point of our motors from the head to the rods/crank. with the aluminum head 200 HP seems to be the ceiling, so with an iron head, 250 would not be out of reach.
again, a ballpark price would be good before anyone gets too involved with this.
that being said, I would be very interested if it is something I could swing financially...
-Owen
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#11
by
NintendoKD
on 02 Jun, 2010 12:07
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well I need some cad files or a digitized way to get it to him, or someone that can do it. Possibly someone who has access to a forge? I have a junk head we can cut up to see the waterjacket but the Machinist is a pro and wants to do a computer model for weak points and to make improvements on VW's original design. Possibly even make a Mech head for aaz frankenbuilders so that there will no longer need to be a conversion etc.
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#12
by
truckinwagen
on 02 Jun, 2010 12:13
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well, you have a head to cut up, so you are ahead there, but you will need someone to turn that into a 3d model.
can the machinist do that for you, or are you looking for someone else to do that?
I am good enough at 2d modeling, but I would not be confident making a 3d model of something like that.
please do all that you can to make this a reality, I am willing to do all that I can to help move this forward.
-Owen
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#13
by
smoken u
on 02 Jun, 2010 14:00
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i am very much interested as well, an iron or steel head would be amazing
, much ,much more power potential
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#14
by
theman53
on 02 Jun, 2010 17:52
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I sell to 4 of the biggest grey and ductile iron foundries in the state of ohio. If there is volume I can get a great price. If there isn't I should still be able to get it done for the best of anybody. I got some amish guys in at 2 of these foundrys making short run peices for them. Silly I know