Every harley i've ridden (10-15) was junk! I'd take a Honda VTX 1800 any day over one of those spine busters... with a set of pipes the VTX's sound better than a harley and are faster as well anyway. People only like harley's for the name/image thing. I sold rec vehicles for a living and converted several lifetime die-hard harley guys with a test ride on my boss's piped VTX. I don't have stock in either one (and don't sell anymore) but an open mind and an honest voice would choose the VTX if they care about price, quality, performance, sound, resale value, maintenance, etc., etc...