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May 03, 2010, 08:49:08 pm

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Will these cross over from 1.6 to 1.9aaz?
« on: May 03, 2010, 08:49:08 pm »
1990 1.6td IDI engine code MF

IM bearings
Crank Main bearings
Timing belt Tensioner
Accessory Pulley on the crank

to an AAZ?
« Last Edit: May 03, 2010, 08:56:33 pm by Smokey Eddy »
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Reply #1May 03, 2010, 08:49:43 pm

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Re: Will these cross over from 1.6 to 1.9aaz?
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2010, 08:49:43 pm »
I thought you lost your IM Shaft :P
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Reply #2May 03, 2010, 08:56:23 pm

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Re: Will these cross over from 1.6 to 1.9aaz?
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2010, 08:56:23 pm »
oh whoops that's correct. its in the ditch somewhere. That shouldn't be there. just the bearings :P
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Reply #3May 03, 2010, 09:01:58 pm

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Re: Will these cross over from 1.6 to 1.9aaz?
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2010, 09:01:58 pm »
as far as I know all that is the same, as are all the accessories that bolt to the outside of the block.
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Reply #4May 05, 2010, 12:13:45 pm

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Re: Will these cross over from 1.6 to 1.9aaz?
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2010, 12:13:45 pm »
the blocks just 16mm taller, and has a bigger bore. otherwise its pretty much the same as a 1.6 dimension wise.

Reply #5May 05, 2010, 01:27:18 pm

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Re: Will these cross over from 1.6 to 1.9aaz?
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2010, 01:27:18 pm »
The reason i ask is i have bearings for everything in the bottom end if i have the crank turned. I bought them for my 1.6 no more than 2 weeks ago.
I also have a brand new water delivery pipe for my 1.6 that i would like to use. I guess if its 16mm taller i'll have to bend it a bit. shouldn't be a problem...

Hey, i also may be able to finally run a crank case venting set up. doesn't the aaz block already have a hole for it?

in addition, i've been meaning to go for a braided oil return line and now this forces me to do it. I don't like the almost 90 degree bend my T3 has right now for a drain line.

What about the oil filter flange and vacuum pump? do those cross over as well?

I have gathered that the IP will cross over if i keep mounting brackets and same with my alternator.
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Reply #6May 05, 2010, 03:05:37 pm

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Re: Will these cross over from 1.6 to 1.9aaz?
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2010, 03:05:37 pm »
Dearest Edna, from what I have read they are identical. (other than being a taller block) the 1.9 is a bored stroked version of the 1.6 yet is still the same block. Kinda like how a 390 Ford motor is just a bored and stroked 351 block ;) Everything external should and most likely will swap over. :) good luck to you sir!

Reply #7May 05, 2010, 03:07:47 pm

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Re: Will these cross over from 1.6 to 1.9aaz?
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2010, 03:07:47 pm »
Dearest Edna, from what I have read they are identical. (other than being a taller block) the 1.9 is a bored stroked version of the 1.6 yet is still the same block. Kinda like how a 390 Ford motor is just a bored and stroked 351 block ;) Everything external should and most likely will swap over. :) good luck to you sir!

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Reply #8May 05, 2010, 03:18:55 pm

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Re: Will these cross over from 1.6 to 1.9aaz?
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2010, 03:18:55 pm »
Dearest Edna, from what I have read they are identical. (other than being a taller block) the 1.9 is a bored stroked version of the 1.6 yet is still the same block. Kinda like how a 390 Ford motor is just a bored and stroked 351 block ;) Everything external should and most likely will swap over. :) good luck to you sir!

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Actually, were both wrong ;) Upon investigation, all FE motors were based 332 block. This was then bored out all the way up to 428, to make the Ford-Edsel engine family.

Reply #9May 05, 2010, 03:34:14 pm

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Re: Will these cross over from 1.6 to 1.9aaz?
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2010, 03:34:14 pm »
Yep. But I thought the 360 was the base. That is the one you can put a 390 crank in and have a 390 with no other mods. At any rate I knew it was FE...I have ford engines, but am a die hard chevy VW guy :D

Reply #10May 05, 2010, 04:36:07 pm

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Re: Will these cross over from 1.6 to 1.9aaz?
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2010, 04:36:07 pm »
ok that's a relief thanks guys.
I have so many new parts for the 1.6 i was super choked if i had to sell them all off second hand and lose like at least 20% of what i paid for them ontop of buying new ones from the 1.9 AND having to get a new block-pistons-crank-oil pump-imshaft-oilpan.
I seriously owe Tyler for saving my arse. he oddly enough hasn't replied to my message i sent last night though. strange of him not to be on the forum yet today.
id love to bore the 1.9 out.
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Reply #11May 05, 2010, 06:54:19 pm

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Re: Will these cross over from 1.6 to 1.9aaz?
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2010, 06:54:19 pm »
I had a doctors appointment, cut me some slack  :P

The following parts will not cross over from a 1.6 block to a 1.9

Vacuum pump
IM shaft
IM pulley
Oil filter stand

I think everything else externally is the same. Turbo oil feed and coolant distribution pipe are different but I think you can make them work.

You certainly can use your 1.6 alternator, that is what I have on my AAZ. Of course you need the proper alternator bracket.

As for the breather, both the 1.6 and 1.9 block have the hole for it. The difference is that since the breather tube is designed for the 1.9 block it is too tall for the 1.6 without modifying it.
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Reply #12May 05, 2010, 07:50:11 pm

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Re: Will these cross over from 1.6 to 1.9aaz?
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2010, 07:50:11 pm »
does your block have the
Vacuum pump?
IM shaft?
IM pulley?
Oil filter stand?
Alternator bracket?

Tyler?
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Reply #13May 06, 2010, 09:52:33 am

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Re: Will these cross over from 1.6 to 1.9aaz?
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2010, 09:52:33 am »
Everything but the alt bracket. If you are using the alt from your 1.6 then you need the bracket from your 1.6.
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Reply #14May 06, 2010, 10:27:11 am

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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2010, 10:27:11 am »
Oh wicked! that's great.
Ed
Blacked out mk2 AAZ Jetta RIP. You are missed.
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