82 Westy diesel 5spd for sale/trade

[kd4yor]

I'd like to trade my 1982 VW Vanagon Westfalia for a 1997 or later Jeep Wrangler. The Jeep MUST be a 4 cylinder / 5 spd and road worthy. Just a nice stock Jeep is what I want.

The Vanagon is originally a southern California van. It then moved to Seattle where I bought it and drove it home to Atlanta. It's a diesel with a 5 spd. On flat highway it'll run 70mph. Hills slow it dramatically. If your mechanically inclined I have a turbo and manifolds from a Canadian AAZ engine for it. It has a small oil leak in the plastic oil fill tube that leaves a residue on the tail gate. You could make a new one from some aluminum and welding. The original part is no longer available from VW.
All the camping appliances work, the propane is full. The camper tent has a few small tears near the bottom edge that I've patched with duck tape. The picture shows the only dent in it. I was quoted $800 to fix it and paint it with primer.

I would sell it outright for $6500 if that gives you an idea of value.

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/1692634959.html

I'd drive it anywhere

[kd4yor]

The production date may be in '82, but if it has a stock 5-speed it is an '83 model year van for sure.  No 5-speeds were offered until '83.

The production date is 9/81. The 10th digit of the VIN is C, and the title says 1982. 

[Quantum TD]

Mmmmm....poverty. Otherwise, I'd be all over this like flies on $hit.

[kd4yor]

$4500 takes it, bring a trailer.
it broke a timing belt
the craigslist expired I can email pics if needed

And Andrew is correct it was updated with a 5spd conversion. I have a receipt from the PO.

[Quantum TD]

I thought I'd share my thoughts and experiences with this seller so that others can avoid the same mistakes I did. If you think it's worth $4500 in this condition with a blown motor, more power to you. But if you don't, and don't like being called an "a$$", then I'd suggest you don't waste your time.

Pics for those of you interested:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bflatjzz/sets/72157618689100962


My comments to seller concerning this vehicle:


-----Original Message-----
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 21:54:37
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Vanagon
 
Yeah. that's the van I remember. I think I can save us both quite a bit of time, assuming that you are firm on the price.
 
  I don't think that I'd be interested at $4500. I've seen ones in better condition and running go for about that, or less. I'm not trying to insult you, but that's just my personal opinion. You may disagree and find that I'm wrong, or you may disagree and find that I'm not. I don't know who quoted $800 to repair the damage, but I'm sure it will cost more than that. It needs a new top ($400 just for the canvas), some interior concerns, and of course, the motor. Given the condition, you're somewhere in the middle of really nice daily driver and beat-up daily driver. Considering the damage to the side, the paint on the rear gate, the top and the motor, I'm thinking closer towards the bottom of that mid-range. I don't think it has the appeal to the "purists" due to the damage, and if it's not running, I think most people will be turned off. If running, I think this van would be in the $3900-5500 range given the condition. Not running, I'm just not seeing $4500. I think that comes through when you think about having listed this in April on here and craigslist, and you ended up keeping it. Obviously, I don't know the circumstances behind that, but on the surface, it looks like you couldn't get what you wanted for it and ended up keeping it. It suggests that perhaps it was too high at $6500 for this economy.
 
 
  I wouldn't necessary go by what other people ask for them either. People are proud of them, but when they list them at steep prices, they either don't sell, list for a long time, both, or they run a long time and sell for notably less than the asking price.Obviously, if storage is not a concern, you'll have all the time in the world to sit on it at $4500 and fend off low-ball offers. If you are serious about selling it and want to consider a notably lower offer, then I'm here to make one.
 
 I'm not a tire-kicker. I am interested, and I'm not out to verbally abuse your van. It's a nice survivor and has lots of potential. But, having worked on them for a good part of my life, and recently helping my father restore one in nicer shape, I know what it's gonna cost to get this up to look good from 20 feet away, and to be a fully functional camper. It's never just the things you can see, its the myriad other things you can't see.
 
Anyways, if I haven't offended you completely and you would like to talk about offers, then please get back to me. If you think I'm off the reservation, then don't.
 
Jeremy



His response:

Have a nice day ya cheap ass
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
 


My thoughts:

I'm not sure where being honest and up front about price warrants being called an a$$. Perhaps I'm wrong about the condition. But looking at the samba, this one just came up, that looks like all it needs is a cleaning, a waxing and general maintenance. But, at least it's DAMAGE FREE and it's RUNNING. Oh yeah, and it has 100K LESS miles! And finally, it's only $1000 less than this guy's asking price when his dented van was running, and only $1000 more than what he's asking now. You do the math, and save yourself the verbal insult.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1057413

[kd4yor]

your taking a private conversation public shows a level of maturity I refuse to sink to.

It's real simple, if you don't think my van is worth the asking price. Keep it to your self. Don't justify to me why I should sell it to you for less. I DON"T CARE. I want $4500 for it.


PS;
I've reported your actions to the moderators. You are wholly wrong in this action. I have no use for you as a person. Stop emailing and PMing me.

[Quantum TD]

your taking a private conversation public shows a level of maturity I refuse to sink to.

It's real simple, if you don't think my van is worth the asking price. Keep it to your self. Don't justify to me why I should sell it to you for less. I DON"T CARE. I want $4500 for it.

At no point did I attack you ad hominem. I simply stated my views on the value of the van. I know that might upset some people's egos, but that's how negotiation works. People offer me less than what I want on stuff all the time. I don't call them cheap-asses. I simply reply that I'll respectfully decline their offer. If you had simply stated that you thought it was worth more than that, and you'd like to wait on offers that you though were more acceptable, then I would completely understand.

Does everyone want to get a good deal? Of course. I'm practical about what things are worth however. If we don't see eye to eye, so be it. But I'm not going to insult you with profanity because we don't agree on price. That's why I posted the transaction. So others, who have similar sensibilities, might avoid the same fate.

PS;
I've reported your actions to the moderators. You are wholly wrong in this action. I have no use for you as a person. Stop emailing and PMing me.

P.S. I stopped emailing you when I sent you this link. I haven't emailed you since. So, if you're claiming harassment, you're off your rocker.

[kd4yor]

it's not your job to wade into for sale ads and post "your opinion" on the value of a sellers item.

I have no use for you or your "professional" opinion. Your money is no good even with a $10K offer. You are wrong in your actions.

[Quantum TD]

it's not your job to wade into for sale ads and post "your opinion" on the value of a sellers item.

I have no use for you or your "professional" opinion. Your money is no good even with a $10K offer. You are wrong in your actions.

To my recollection, I've never publicly evaluated prices in the classifieds, unless sellers actively requested comments about value. If I'm interested in something, I send the seller a private message (as I did with you initially).

The indictment of value is a side story here. My comments were about you calling me profane names.


Look, if you have a value in mind, and want to stick to it, that's obviously your prerogative. But, by the dialectical nature of sales negotiations in general, you have to expect some offers for less than you'd like. And for the record, I never actually placed an exact value on your van, or made you an offer. That possibility was truncated by your immediate response calling me a cheap -***.

This isn't a supermarket where prices are fixed and people unquestioningly buy. If you are confident that it's worth what you're asking and do NOT want to hear lower offers (or be insulted by them apparently), then I might suggest that you list it on ebay for 30 days with a fixed price of $4500. Personally, I do not think it will sell for that price, but thinking that is my prerogative.

[kd4yor]

The indictment of value is a side story here. My comments were about you calling me profane names.

you indicted the value of my van AFTER saying you were going to. If being called a cheap ass is a "horrible" thing in your world. I'm sorry.

Good day, good night and hopefully a mod will clean up this crap.

[Vincent Waldon]

Mods are not censors, nor are they policemen, particularly in the For Sale section... the forum guidelines are very clear that for-sale transactions are between private individuals..and the discussion should be as such.

Any further conversations on this sale item need to be via pm directly with the seller please and thanks.