Relayance of thy headlights & HID Conversion

[theman53]

Over 120 days I know...

On an H4 Bulb the only thing I can find for how to wire it is this.



I am no electrician but assume common to be ground right?
I also assume that all H4 bulbs would have the same wiring so they would be interchangable between cars, right?

Let me know please. I am going to upgrade as soon as I figure my core support out.

[rabbitman]

I also assume that all H4 bulbs would have the same wiring so they would be interchangable between cars, right?

Yup.

[8v-of-fury]

hey this is good that you have bumped this thread Lucas! I am still in search for good lighting on my project Jetta! I dunno if I wanna go HID's or just a H1/H4 combo..

Yep, Low, High and Common (Earth/Ground). Seems that diagram was written by someone who frequents with house electrical systems. As I think they call there un-grounded (2 wires black and white) wires live and common.

[8v-of-fury]

http://store.everythingcarparts.com/Toyota-Parts/Land-Cruiser/Headlights/88-90-Toyota-Land-Cruiser-4x6-Projector-Headlights-HID-p8300447.html

 in my travels i found this, Now I have no idea what an HID bulb looks like, but I do believe they show one in there picture scroll. Also in one of there pictures it looks as though you can see a typical halogen bulb in one of the housings.. It claims to come with xenon ballasts.. Not saying I am going to buy it, just wanted opinions.

Would this be a projector housing as opposed to an HID housing? because it looks like there using plain 'ol H4 bulbs to me.. How are the light output of these type setups?

[theman53]

DUDE those said 10000K...probably too bright for daily driving. That would be more for your off road, spotlight, and kill deer at night ride. I thought I was nuts going with something around 6000K. I just wanted pretty blue. I think stock lighting is under 2,000K.

I bought these and I think you would have plenty of light with them.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Luminics-Pure-Blue-H4-light-bulbs-headlight-bulbs-/300268060341?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item45e95efeb5

[8v-of-fury]

Actually Lucas the ----K reference is to the colour temperature of the light, not the brightness of its output. These are still only a 35w bulb.

Natural sunlight is something like 4500-5000K. The higher the Colour Temperature the whiter the light.

[theman53]

Yeah but it is brighter.

[8v-of-fury]

Well really its "whiter" lol

Now that 10000k kit i posted.. obviously they look like there is H4 bulbs inside them..



If so why do they include ballasts?



 and what are these?? The actual HID bulb? I have no idea lol

[lord_verminaard]

Those were the HID bulbs, the H-style bulbs are probably for the high-beams, most HID kits use a standard bulb for highs and a HID for low.

I was going to post my usual "Dont use HID kits with standard headlamp housings" rant, but that kit you posted looks like it has proper projectors for the HID's so it should work fine.

Brendan

[theman53]

I haven't seen HID in person but that isn't what my H4 looks like.

that is my H4 and they aren't really sealed or have pigtails, just a bulb. I would bet that it is HID especially with the ballasts and projectors there.

[theman53]

Actually Lucas the ----K reference is to the colour temperature of the light, not the brightness of its output. These are still only a 35w bulb.

Natural sunlight is something like 4500-5000K. The higher the Colour Temperature the whiter the light.

Oh, mine are a 55w bulb

[8v-of-fury]

a fun fact I found,

The color temperature is more than 5000K compared to 2300K for halogen. The light output from a 35W HID Xenon lamp is 300% more light than a 55W halogen bulb. The HID Xenon system will also consume much less power from your vehicles electrical system and generate much less heat during operation.

300% more light! whoooa

[clbanman]

HID's require a ballast.   No ballast - they are not HID's.    I know off-road HID systems have come way down in price in the last 4-5 years. (The ones we use have dropped from $450+ per light to $120 range.)    I would assume street legal versions will be more reasonable as well.    A few years back any system as cheap as 8V's link would have been fake, but no longer I guess.

[8v-of-fury]

OK so the kit i posted. Obviously There pictures do not show the HID bulb installed and consensus says that's probably a high beam light shown.. But what does it look like with the HID bulb in? also do the H4 halogen bulb and HID bulb fit in the same socket? OR Do the HID bulbs insert in to a halogen looking glass case? I will need to get in contact with the seller of the above set, as I am unsure on many things.

There is a ton of grey-matter on the whole HID conversion.. SO MANY people claim to have "HID stuff" when clearly there picture is of a halogen bulb and no ballast in site..

I like the set I posted above as they are very clean looking, and will add a good level of "There is something about that POS car that is intensifying" as I'll be rockin' primer spots, non tinted windows, stock ride height, bulbous tires, and red shag seat covers from the 80's HOWEVER, there will be a TDI under the hood

[AudiVWguy]

If you are buying HID's I recommend getting the color temp of 4100K. Visually, this temp is the cleanest,whitest bulb available. In my opinion gives you the furthest view down the road. Color temps above the number will appear blue and as the color temp  rises higher, it will turn violet (@ 10,000K).
This still applies to halogen bulbs also. The problem is that the bulb manufactures coat the outside of the bulbs to get the color temps talked about earlier. I bought a set of 5000K bulbs, installed them, and was disappointed at the output. Taking fine steel wool, I took off the coating on one bulb, reinstalled it, and WOW, twice as bright as the 5000K (blue tinted) bulb. There are a few making true 4100K bulbs (PIAA), but they are a little pricey.

Right now I'm trying a set of HID's that drop into the square H-4 housings. The light output (4100K) is outstanding. But the bulb doesn't  match the reflector very well, so the cutoff isn't very accurate. So I guess you get what you pay for...........
Cheers,
-JB