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roughing up alt pulley and oil light/buzzer Question
by
Smokey Eddy
on 28 Mar, 2010 14:28
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Firstly, no matter how hard i REEF on the alternator when i try to tighten it ALWAYS slacks off and the belt starts to slip and over the course of about 3 days my battery will die.
It has become SUCH a problem that if i don't charge my battery every night i can't drive my car. The pully spins fine, all my wiring and contacts and grounds are clean & fresh. The belt, when "tight" can still move about a 1/2 inch in the middle and when its running it wobbles like crazy which i know is too loose but i just can't for the life of me get it any tighter.
I need to make some sort of high tension sprung bracket for the alt but for now any suggestions on roughing up the pulley? it's polished to a mirror finish inside... I've changed the belt frequently to try and fix this never ending problem so the belt it's self is not smooth.
i tried using emery cloth but it didn't last for very long and same goes for jamming a file in there to rough it up.
I want to weld tacks on the inside of the pulley but i think that may be a bit extreme and murder the bearing inside the alternator.
My alternator has not been changed since i've owned the car so it must be at least 6 or maybe even 10 years old...
the battery is about 6 days old and is rated for 1026 cranking amps and 750 cold cranking amps. and "120 minutes reserve" what ever that means.
on a side note: after driving 35 minutes on the highway, i pulled into my block and it was a slight corner i guess? and the oil light + buzzer came on and buzzed for at least 20 seconds. the oil temp was 185F, the water was 90C...
I don't have the sensor on the head anymore i replaced it with a temp sender and i put it at the location of the other oil sensor (down by the filter) and just removed that one that was there entirely.
my understanding is that one of those reads low pressure and the other reads either temp or high pressure?
I understood that i kept the sensor that reads a drop in pressure in case i have some sort of catastrophic oil loss i'd have enough warning to shut off the car.
Some recent (as in the last couple days) issues are a huge leak from the feed line to the turbo and oil coming through the turbo.
So im wondering if there might be a blockage in the turbo somewhere?
Thanks for all input.
Running synthetic Moly Lubro 5w-40.
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#1
by
Vincent Waldon
on 28 Mar, 2010 14:43
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#2
by
Smokey Eddy
on 28 Mar, 2010 15:22
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after looking at your diagram there im thinking the issue may be my W terminal on the alternator. That clip piece on it is very loose, i don't think it connects very well anymore.
I dont have a tach so i would have never noticed it not functioning.
Your write up has also told me that i should not be using the low pressure switch with the high pressure wire... that could also be the issue.
thirdly, i think my filter is due for a change.
I had previously been changing the oil so frequently i hadn't changed the filter but its more than due for a change now...
So, Vince, my course of action is going to be to replace the filter and the connector on the W terminal and i'll see if i ever get a buzzer again.
If i do, i'll look into things in finer detail.
but my new oil leaks still are leading me to believe there is a flow issue somewhere - a blockage - which is REALLY worrying me.
(the sensor I'm using is the grey one 0.9 bar. I just changed the rod bearings. Perhaps the IM shaft bearing is the culprit.)
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#3
by
wolf_walker
on 28 Mar, 2010 17:49
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Sand blasting the pulleys help with traction. I've had this sort of trouble, but less extreme, with all the A1 belt setups I've ever had.
I added the tensioning bolt from an A2 to the ac comp bracket, which is the most PITA one. You might consider a tighter belt, and make sure the width is correct. And counter intuitive though it is, don't tighten it any more than it absolutely has to be, or it WILL stretch, quickly. You can kill a new belt in a single day easy if it's too tight. It's not going to run smooth like a serpentine belt(or a well designed V belt since it isn't), not stretching it to heck seems to be important.
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#4
by
Rabbit on Roids
on 28 Mar, 2010 18:04
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check to make sure one of your pulleys isnt bent, or doesnt have a rock stuck in them. i know it sounds dumb, but just check. ive seen some pretty weird issues with VWs over time.
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#5
by
Doug
on 29 Mar, 2010 05:06
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The pulley has probably worn internally larger from belt slippage over the years. Replace it with a new one or look to a replacement belt of a slightly larger cross section. The OEM belt is a metric configuration. I think it is 10mm in width. It will be stamped on the outside back of the belt. The domestic belts are fractional inch measurement. Check different makes with a caliper set. You will find some slightly larger than OEM. These will be a fix for your situation albeit not a perfect one. Belt dressing or rosin will sometimes help too.
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#6
by
Smokey Eddy
on 29 Mar, 2010 10:05
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The pulley has probably worn internally larger from belt slippage over the years. Replace it with a new one or look to a replacement belt of a slightly larger cross section. The OEM belt is a metric configuration. I think it is 10mm in width. It will be stamped on the outside back of the belt. The domestic belts are fractional inch measurement. Check different makes with a caliper set. You will find some slightly larger than OEM. These will be a fix for your situation albeit not a perfect one. Belt dressing or rosin will sometimes help too.
Ahh good idea!
The inside of the pulley is DEFINATELY not uniformed at all anymore. I'm 100% possative that it's all out of shape. I think i'll just get a new pulley of smaller diameter and a shorter belt.
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#7
by
Rabbit on Roids
on 31 Mar, 2010 08:36
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The pulley has probably worn internally larger from belt slippage over the years. Replace it with a new one or look to a replacement belt of a slightly larger cross section. The OEM belt is a metric configuration. I think it is 10mm in width. It will be stamped on the outside back of the belt. The domestic belts are fractional inch measurement. Check different makes with a caliper set. You will find some slightly larger than OEM. These will be a fix for your situation albeit not a perfect one. Belt dressing or rosin will sometimes help too.
Ahh good idea!
The inside of the pulley is DEFINATELY not uniformed at all anymore. I'm 100% possative that it's all out of shape. I think i'll just get a new pulley of smaller diameter and a shorter belt.
just remember that changing the size of the alt pulley from stock is going to make the tach misbehave. or anything that reads a W signal.
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#8
by
Smokey Eddy
on 31 Mar, 2010 10:00
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just remember that changing the size of the alt pulley from stock is going to make the tach misbehave. or anything that reads a W signal.
Aw crap you're right... well I don't have a tach but the oil pressure thing would not be correct anymore. Hmph. I guess i'll get a new pulley of the same size then.
Are you tightening both the bolt in the slot AND the pivot bolt?
You bet I am. And that huge 19mm one.
What im considering is drilling out the hole with the threads that is on the Alt and then get a much beefier bolt with locking nuts(or washers) and get a buddy to pull up on the alt while i tighten the bolts up. I'll use like a grade 8 bolt and nut and torque that stupid thing down & pray for the best...
What would be SWEET is if i made some sort of bolt on replacement bracket that was sprung so as the belt stretches it would remain tight. Also, im sure a few fellas on here who are SICK of the squeeling belt + dead battery issue with the mk2s would be interested if it was cost effective to produce.
Ideas? im sure some of you have already thought of this.
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#9
by
Smokey Eddy
on 31 Mar, 2010 13:54
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Oh THATS what they call it is it?!
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#10
by
Smokey Eddy
on 31 Mar, 2010 14:00
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But seriously yes, just like the serp set up except instead of having to buy all new pulleys and all that nonsense its just a replacement for that stupid bracket and should* fix** the issue.
*: the marked term is used very loosely in this context and in conjunction with the assumption that the author holds no responsibility for the ramifications of said actions.
**: the definition of the term queried may vary drastically from one person to the next.
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#11
by
Vincent Waldon
on 02 Apr, 2010 22:41
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Perhaps you're missing the toothed nut that goes with the alternator adjustment bolt (#16A):
Makes it super-easy to tighten, and then you lock down the inner bolt and it stays tight.
P/N 034 903 555 B is evidently both the toothed nut and the inner bolt.
8 bucks at WorldImpex, so probably not too expensive even at the dealer.
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#12
by
theman53
on 03 Apr, 2010 06:04
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#13
by
Rabbit on Roids
on 03 Apr, 2010 08:27
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you dont have to have a good gear on your alt bolt. you can keep it tight with just a normal bolt. i have a pretty power hungry stereo in my GTI, and i didnt have that gear on my alt for a long time. the only time my belt would squeal is when the alt would put too much pull on it. you are leaving something loose if your belt comes loose and squeals. does your car have a/c like a normal gasser a2? if it does, are you sure that you are tightening the belt that drives the a/c pump first, then tighten the alt belt after the a/c belt is tight.
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#14
by
Smokey Eddy
on 05 Apr, 2010 00:48
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i do not have AC
when i try to tighten my alt. i get a friend to pull up on it and i tighten that 17mm bolt, the bolt that lets the bracket swivle and a third bolt that is where the geared bolt is supposed to be.
I too would like to add a tensioner if this issue still persists (which i likely will)