My monster is mean to my clutch - help

[truckinwagen]

clutch friction material will hardly make a difference without extra clamping pressure, i.e pressure plate

while clutch material alone does not make much difference without more clamping force, a pucked clutch does.

by having less surface area the effective clamping force on it is higher even with the stock pressure plate(the same force on a smaller surface= more PSI)

I am a fan of pucked clutches in applications where stock is not sufficient because they hold better without requiring the added stress on the thrust bearing of a higher tension pressure plate.

[Rabbit on Roids]

i dont like how they are like an on/off button tho.

[RabbitJockey]

i'd be more worried about the thrust plate than the throw out bearing on an 020.  throw out bearings are cake to change

[rabbitman]

i'd be more worried about the thrust plate than the throw out bearing on an 020.  throw out bearings are cake to change

I think he's talking about the thrust bearings in the engine, when you push the clutch padal the end of the crankshaft is also being pushed on pretty hard.

[Smokey Eddy]

Dear god!
=( who do i listen to?
Amen

[stewardc]

I originally bought a 4-puck for my AAZ. It (the flywheel) lasted a single summer and it was the most torturous setup I've ever driven. It was like a switch (ON or OFF). There was no way to get a smooth start and it finally wore out the flywheel. I finally swapped it out for a Stage 2 ACT setup and after over a year driving, Icouldn't be happier. I'm making 220 ft lbs and the clutch holds it well, while allowing smooth starts.
A puck-type clutch is a drag race clutch IMHO.

[Smokey Eddy]

I originally bought a 4-puck for my AAZ. It (the flywheel) lasted a single summer and it was the most torturous setup I've ever driven. It was like a switch (ON or OFF). There was no way to get a smooth start and it finally wore out the flywheel. I finally swapped it out for a Stage 2 ACT setup and after over a year driving, Icouldn't be happier. I'm making 220 ft lbs and the clutch holds it well, while allowing smooth starts.
A puck-type clutch is a drag race clutch IMHO.

What about a 6 puck disk?
my pressure plate is quite soft. I can easily push the pedal to the floor. its comfortable but perhaps that's a bad thing.
my bud just put a new clutch set up in his mustang and you have to like ... grip the steering wheel and pull your self towards the floor to get the pedal to go down.

[stewardc]

The pressure plate plays a major part. You gotta replace them as a set, and the pressure plate must have more clamping force.

[truckinwagen]

not necessarily, the smaller contact area of the pucked clutch means that there is more pressure per square inch, allowing greater holding power without needing a heavier pressure plate.

they were originally designed for drag racing where they already have the heaviest PP they can put on, and needed more holding power.

if you put a pucked clutch in with a stock PP you will get more holding power without adding load to the thrust bearing in the motor.

I have a four puck with a stock PP, and while it is not as easy to drive as a stock clutch, it is certainly not that hard to drive.

[silvertdvw]

so do you need to upgrade to a 210mm flywheel to use any of the clutchnet 8v clutch parts.
 

[truckinwagen]

nope, clutchnet makes 190 and 200mm too.

[Smokey Eddy]

Alright, im thinking i'll go just a 190mm 6 puck by it's self from clutchnet... what do you reckon truckinwagen?
More lbs/in^2 clamping force but same easy to use pedal movement + an extra $150 still in my wallet.

[truckinwagen]

thats what I would do.

if I had to do it again I would go with a six puck, the only reason I went four is because I was hurting for cash and it was such a good deal.

not that I really regret it though.

-Owen

[Smokey Eddy]

Alright wicked. Perhaps I'll do a write up on the swap. Haven't contributed in a while...

[rallydiesel]

You may want to contact a guy called BleachedBora from tdiclub. He carries SouthBend clutches for good prices and a lot of guys run them on their modded tdi's with good results.