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My monster is mean to my clutch - help
by
Smokey Eddy
on 18 Mar, 2010 17:55
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Soooo
its been quite a while since i put my 1.9 head on my 1.6td and i've been driving around with a huge FMIC for about 3-4 months.
i figured it was time to play with the pump a bit more.
I screwed the LDA pin push screw (the one accessible from the very top) as far down as it would go. I then turned the idle back as far as it would go, then turned the fuel screw IN until it was idling just below was i deemed to be irritatingly high. I then moved my throttle cable back about three notches and increased the max throttle setting.
Prior to this my T3 would MAX output EXACTLY 24 psi at WOT through most of the rpm range and i never got EGT's over 1,000 unless i was really bogging it at too low RPM.
Now when i stomp it - the black cloud is incredible even with my dual side exhaust and it will PIN, yes PIN, my 30 psi gauge and reach 10psi at what i would imagine 1,500rpm to be at WOT and 20+ psi after about 2,500... it then rockets up past 30 and the tire hop/spin/squeel is somthing worth mentioning. I know am 100% sure it's faster than my 2000 2 door TDI golf.
UNFORTUNATELY the increase in torque does NOT match well with my stock and likely very old clutch. I was forced to turn the fueling back down to prevent accidentally stepping on it - i'd hate for friction material to fly out of that bell housing.
I need a replacement/upgrade asap.
ANY info is greatly appreciated. such as TDI? what size? are there different ones? how many stages? i read that the 16v GTI clutch wont suffice because of the torque involved with our train-like engines? and SO ON.
thanks so much and once the clutch is replaced and holding out i PROMISE a dyno video + print out.
oh ps, my last air care was immediately after the head replacement exactly a year ago and i scored a 13.6% opacity rating - which i think means that's the % of exhaust that is visible carbon soot.
This time around with my IC i scored a 5.9%!!!
the maximum allowable is 30%.
But what really doesn't make sense is according to them my car gets 7.1L/100km. Which is 33.1288146 miles per gallon... which i know for a fact is NOT true because the math is simply wrong. I drove 600 km (mountain highway too) on less than 35L of diesel which is at least 40mpg.
edit: the increase in power i think i can attribute to the increase in fuel but the clutch doesn't slip until the boost hits above 25psi... it feels like it pulls super hard at low speeds and accelerates - giving that false sense of huge power. But once i get up to about 90km/hr and floor it in 3rd it will slip the clutch. Same with 4th gear at any speed over 100km/hr at WOT... never tried 5th, i didn't figure it was worth checking seeing as i know how damaging clutch slippage is. I'm sure my pressure plate is all blue now.
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#1
by
truckinwagen
on 18 Mar, 2010 18:05
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you might consider a pucked clutch.
you can get them from clutchnet.
starting out is a little harsher, but you can get used to it, and it will hold whatever you throw at it
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#2
by
Smokey Eddy
on 18 Mar, 2010 18:27
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#3
by
Smokey Eddy
on 18 Mar, 2010 18:32
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How many "stages" do i want?
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#4
by
truckinwagen
on 18 Mar, 2010 18:33
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I have never heard any stories like that personally, he probably dropped the clutch hard at 6000RPM (with huge power) to get it to do that.
the other place you can go(depending what diameter flywheel you are running) is Bildon Motorsport.
I am running their four puck sprung center, and love it.
-Owen
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#5
by
Smokey Eddy
on 18 Mar, 2010 18:46
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Interesting. What numbers and you pushing through it? do you know?
and by four puck - is that the number of stages?
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#6
by
Smokey Eddy
on 18 Mar, 2010 18:50
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How about these then?
Pressure PlateClutch Disk Pucked thingThe loonie is really good right now so I'd love some input from anyone if they're reading and think this is a good replacement option.
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#7
by
truckinwagen
on 18 Mar, 2010 18:55
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no I mean pucked, like this:
the fewer number of pucks, the more aggressive it will be, holding more power, and being harsher.
you can get six, four and three puck clutches.
I went with a four because I plan on putting lots of torque at low RPM's through it(it held everything the supercharged motor would put out, and will take lots more)
I would recommend a six puck for a daily driven car, as the four puck is a little hard to keep from chirping the tires with.
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#8
by
truckinwagen
on 18 Mar, 2010 18:58
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you dont need to match the pressure plate to the clutch disc.
a higher rate pressure plate will hold more power, but will also put extra load on the thrust bearing in your motor.
the beauty of the pucked clutch is that it will hold more without needing more pressure from the pressure plate.
a solid center clutch will do damage to the gears in the transmission over time, for a street driven car, a sprung center is preferable.
I would get a six puck sprung center disc, and run it with the stock pressure plate/flywheel.
-Owen
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#9
by
Smokey Eddy
on 18 Mar, 2010 18:59
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Oooooooooooh okay okay okay okay
So just order the "red" 6 puck centre disk?
looks like all the red ones are solid, so ... a "hi-performance" one then... lets see if that's sprung and not solid.
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#10
by
truckinwagen
on 18 Mar, 2010 19:01
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#11
by
Smokey Eddy
on 18 Mar, 2010 19:07
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Owen, thanks so much you've been so helpful. I'll give that a read for sure after work. as it stands right now im leaning on
this one here....
the price is right, highest performance, sprung, pucked and you like the 4 puck so i think i'll go 4 too... the 6 puck is significantly more expensive. 140 vs 170.
but i have the coin to go 6 puck if you really think a 4 would live a short life and i don't need the added power it will handle.
this car IS my DD so i don't mind paying $200 for a cluth that will last another 40-50,000km of city, but mostly highway, driving.
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#12
by
theman53
on 18 Mar, 2010 19:08
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Quoted from my build...
Thanks to Zuk and 53 willys for clutch recommendation. It is a clutchnet 210mm red pp with a 210mm 6 spring 6 puck red disc with the small 24 spline hub. I think it is the setup for the 8v scirocco?
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#13
by
truckinwagen
on 18 Mar, 2010 19:10
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#14
by
Smokey Eddy
on 18 Mar, 2010 19:13
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Oh nice, thanks to both. I'll have to make my decision when i get home. I have a 75 minute train ride to ponder. Perhaps i'll browse on my crackberry.
thanks again