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March 12, 2010, 03:08:16 pm

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Help wanted on 1980's 1,6 n/a turbokit
« on: March 12, 2010, 03:08:16 pm »
Hello ,

First off all I have to say good work to all of you lovin' VW diesels as much as i do.
I have learned a lot of all the posts I've read so far.Thanks for sharing.
I'm sorry to say I haven't posted before.

I started reading on the old forum and because of that I build my first car.
A Mk2 Golf with a 1,9 AAZ engine.I started playing with that and i was hooked.
I love leaving other cars at the lights in a big cloud of black smoke. :D
Summer is fun with convertibles trailing me too. ;D

I left my AAZ project to build a Mk 1 golf G60 (childhood dream)and learned that tuning and playing with gassers is a lot more expensive.
Now I'm thinking of replacing the G60 engine in my Mark 1 with a AAZ engine.

Therefore I was looking around for turbochargers.
My AAZ Mk2 project got stranded because I blew my K24 (no EGT yet and 1 of the blades of the turbine got lost(i think)).
So now I'm back to the K14(3rd) but it is also starting to go bad.

I bought this one on Ebay and was very happy with the buy when i opened the package.
Out came (according to seller a 40km old) 1980's turbokit for a VW 1,6 N/A.
It has a special intake manifold with combined air filter on top from BMC industry.
There is a badge on there that says: GOLF DIESEL TURBO KEIN (S or 5).
It uses a (in my eyes) HUGE turbocharger from ROTOMASTER (T04B) complete with flexible oil feed line and turbo>manifold hose connections.
The cold side AR is .60 (huge compared to T3 or K24)and I think the hot side is .3 or .4.
It also has a very big exhaust manifold and something of a downpipe.
I'd like to know if anyone has heard of these turbo kits or has info on them ?
I've spent many hours searching for info and then the IDI forum popped in my head.

The closest I came in my search (because of the exhaust manifold design) is Callaway, because they also sold kits for the VW 1,8 8v gasser engines.

My next question is how good or bad will this turbo be in my Mk2 "high power" AAZ setup.
I think that because of the big compressor it will give me plenty air up top and ,because of the rather small turbine side,it wil spool quickly too. Am I right or will the small hot side limit the turbo up top?

I have taken some pictures for identification.
This is the Garrett T3 compared to the Rotomaster(you can see the dust buildup in the Rotomaster)


This is a top view of the Garrett and the Rotomaster


This is the complete kit "mounted" isn't it sweet.


This is the airfilter build in the intake manifold.


This is not to get all of you jealous(although i can imagine some of you will be) but I like to know as much as i can find on this kit before I decide to put(or not to put) the turbo on my AAZ.

Any input will be welcome.
Thanks.
(oh and sorry for my Englisch)
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Reply #1March 12, 2010, 09:03:42 pm

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Re: Help wanted on 1980's 1,6 n/a turbokit
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2010, 09:03:42 pm »
You could check this site out.
Thats a cool setup. Kind of wierd looking intake though  :-\.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010816081937/www.frontiernet.net/~volvoic/turbokits.html.
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Reply #2March 13, 2010, 05:39:53 am

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Re: Help wanted on 1980's 1,6 n/a turbokit
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2010, 05:39:53 am »
Callaway turbos are sexy, can I ask how much you paid for the kit? I've heard lots of good things about their kits, but like any turbo make sure you have good oil feed/return and a solid mount. It looks like it would be easy to mount an intercooler to it.
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Reply #3March 13, 2010, 06:54:59 am

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Re: Help wanted on 1980's 1,6 n/a turbokit
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2010, 06:54:59 am »
wow i have never seen that kit before, it looks cool.  that turbo is huge. i don't think that will fit a mk2 tho because of the rear engine mount, i could be wrong tho.  if you're going for high power tho i think that would be a good turbo
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Reply #4March 13, 2010, 07:05:11 am

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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2010, 07:05:11 am »
Wow that turbo looks huge.

Is the exhaust manifold just the standard mk1 unit?
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Reply #5March 13, 2010, 07:08:13 am

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Re: Help wanted on 1980's 1,6 n/a turbokit
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2010, 07:08:13 am »


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Reply #7March 13, 2010, 07:04:36 pm

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Re: Help wanted on 1980's 1,6 n/a turbokit
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2010, 07:04:36 pm »
Thanks for the info.

@ Powered by Spearco
I already found that site.
I have also send an Email to the Callaway site owner(also a dutch guy) but it wasn't a Callaway kit in his eyes because of the different intake manifold and the placing of the turbo on the manifold.
You're right about the intake.It lookes even stranger when I opened it. There is a kind of cone bolted under the airfilter.
I'm not sure (I have to take it apart further) but it looks like it is somekind of build in BOV.
There is no wastegate or BOV in the kit.
When the kit (for sure) is made for a 1,6 n/a I don't think it will need a BOV because of the lack of fuel from the 1,6 n/a pump so I have to investigate it further.
I've read that the Callaway and BAE 1,6 n/a kits were making 7-9 psi on the stock engine (and pump?).
It was a bold on +/- 25 bhp kit.What would it do with a tweaked 10mm LDA AAZ pump  ???

@ macka
Yes,I think so too.Callaway made a pretty nice setup in their days for VW.
I would love a Callaway setup on my Mk1 G60 (without the fueler) but their quite expensive and hard to find and even harder to get them shipped.
I'm a bit ashamed about the price.Lets just say it was less than 150 dollars shipped. :o
(it was a real find and i was the only one looking)

The oil return is a kind of gardenhose connection now so I have to create something for that.
I've had some troubles with my oil return on my AAZ/K24 setup.The oil return I made up blew or tore apart twice.
The right side bottom of the car wont rust for a while. ;)
After that I have ordered a custom made braided oil return for the AAZ.
I'm sure they can make something nice for this one too,but I will have to check if I can mount the turbo first.

The intercooler would be tricky to fit with this intake manifold because the exits are real close together.
I'm not really a fan of this intake because it hangs over the exhaust manifold a lot heating up the air in a High HP setup.
I have been thinking of trying to fit a 1Y intake manifold because i think it will clear this turbo and manifold.

@ Trev0rbr
You're as wondered as I was when I opened the package.
Good point about the engine mount.I wasn't sure about it either.I blew new life in the Mk2 AAZ project 3 days ago so now I can check if it will fit.But when it doesn't  I'll start plan B and mount an AAZ in my Mk1 G60.
(I took supercharger(G60) out to replace the seals,strips and bearings but there was to much damage inside for my liking.)
(I use it on track days and 1/4 mile events and wasn't sure enough to put in all the new bits.)
(I've started collecting bits to make it an 8v turbo gasser but I got a good offer on my turbo so I sold it(garrett T3 .42/.48).

About this turbo.I'm pretty sure it says .3 on the exhaust housing that's even smaller than the T3 or k24(.42/.48 right?).
Therefore I think it will spool quick.Not sure about the top end but I'll wait and see.
I'm not really trying to get to the 200 hp mark but if I can reach it with this turbo it would be great.
I had the chance to buy a broken 1,9 SDI pump for 20 euro and now my plans are to rebuild my spare AAZ pump with the 10mm head of the SDI pump and some further modifications(timing,governor,etc.)as I am running now.
I would love to get a Giles pump for this turbo but for now that's still out of reach.

The picture from your second post is what made me think it was a Callaway setup.
Because of the use of a similar (or same)Rotomaster turbo the downpipe flange looks the same as my kit.Although I think the exhaust housing on the Callaway kits were larger,then again it was for the 1,6 or 1,8 8v Gti.
I couldn't find the specs on the Callaway turbo's or the t04B.
The only thing I can't place with Callaway(or BAE,Arkay) kits is that intake manifold.
I'm also lacking the external wastegate on the exhaust manifold,it seems to be blocked off by a plate on the Callaway kit you pictured in your post.My exhaust manifold isn't blocked anywhere.

@ burn_your_money
Yes it's a very big turbo. Especially when you're used to VW diesel turbo's(like me).
I'm very  curious how it will run and spool.
I hope to be able to lose my friend's tweaked Vauxhall c20xe.

The exhaust manifold isn't a Mk1 unit (I think) but it could be.I will make some more pictures tomorrow.
It's a solid piece manifold with the bottom mount T04 flange.

I also found the BAE info in my search but I think they were only using Rajay turbo's.
The only aftermarket tuner that used the Rotomasters as far as I know is Callaway(in they're MK1 kit)
I do like the intakes those different kits were using.

Reply #8March 13, 2010, 09:20:59 pm

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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2010, 09:20:59 pm »
I think that there was also a turbo kit called "Island Turbo" that had gas and diesl kits. I not able to find a pic of them.
Here is a kit that I used to have.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010609100356/www.frontiernet.net/~volvoic/sc1.jpg.

I'm sure you'll have fun with your setup though. Keep us posted on the build.
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