TD engine with enough power to...?

[the4ork]

could i build a TD engine in my MK1 Jetta to pwn a MKII Vr6?

ive been looking at all the different options to go for a diesel engine my mk1 and im still a little on the fence on what to build. I know pretty much i want to stick with a built IDI pump for ease of installation and tuning (prably cost about the same after you buy all the crap for a TDI, nozzles, chip, 11mm ect and less hassle)

i just cant figure out what to use as an engine platform... 1.6TD, 1.9, combination of both? i dunno... tdi-m?

what is going to give me the most power?

so far i know i want a 6500rpm giles pump, and a turbo upgrade (BIG) with head studs and lots of boost (25psi or so)

[rabbitman]

Some people have done the 1.6 bottom end and aaz 1.9 head, IIRC the most power I've seen from one of those is almost 200hp.

I do believe it would spank a VR6 anyday, the only downside is reduced reliability and you'd need a different/tougher tranny.

[Rabbit on Roids]

one thing a VR doesnt have that we do, torque...
ive driven a stock 24v VR before, and it was lackluster at best.
i was expecting to get in the car and not hook traction till about mid-3rd gear.
pfft, barely broke them loose in first. if you stuck an AAZ in a mk1 2 door rabbit, and built the holy piss out of it, im almost positive that it would skool most any VR around.

[truckinwagen]

the other thing about the VR, and the cars it came in is weight.

it is a HEAVY motor, and is installed in HEAVY cars, a diesel in a MK1(the lightest of all the water cooled VW's) would easily spank a VR, hell I beat a 16V mk2 GTI with my tired 1.6 in a MK1

the other thing is driving, work on launches.
a good launch will make up for alot of power difference, you want to be right at the edge of the traction you have, without breaking loose. lots of people with high power cars have no idea how to drive it, paving the way for people with smaller more manageable cars to walk all over them.

[RabbitJockey]

i think you can make a td engine beat a vr6, but a mk2 is not all that heavy of a car, only has 400 pounds on a mk1 at most.  and a vr6 is not all that heavy of an engine either.  malone said his franken engine would eat up his friends modded mk3 vr6 gti,  and malones engine was in a mk3 golf.  but you're going to have to do some real mods to beat a vr6, especially in a mk2.  if u can do 130-140whp u could probably beat them or keep up

[TurboJ]

250 - 280 hp has been done many times with a 1.6 block / 1.9 head combo. To beat such a mk2, you really must have a turbo on that VR6, and a decent setup at that. I believe I won't easily find a N/A VR6 to beat my mk2 Jetta when it's done either 

[ledeni09]

250 - 280 hp has been done many times with a 1.6 block / 1.9 head combo. To beat such a mk2, you really must have a turbo on that VR6, and a decent setup at that. I believe I won't easily find a N/A VR6 to beat my mk2 Jetta when it's done either 

I must ask can you put some pictures of that engine or some link tnx.

[TurboJ]

I must ask can you put some pictures of that engine or some link tnx.

http://s659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/done/

It's a mk2 Golf, with 1.6 bottom end and 1.9 head, you can see the dyno plot on the album there.
But this is just one example, I know of at least two other 1.6s with 250 hp or more. I don't have those
dyno plots, but I can tell you the information is reliable ( I have seen quarter mile footage of one of them, and
have a witness for the dyno run of the other)

It isn't so special that you can get that kind of power out of these engines; the real trick would be to make
them driveable. That is something I have yet to see on high-power 1.6s. And I'll be going after ~220 hp with
good driveability myself.

If you think about IDI diesels, when you know that the Mercedes 12V 3.0 diesel can be made to produce more than 500 hp, that's 167 hp / litre +. And those hp number are made with no internal engine mods on the Mercs...
So 270 hp for a 1.6 and 315 hp for a 1.9 should be well within reach (and as for the 1.6 has already been done).
And come summer there will be one VW 1.9 IDI that will comfortably beat that 315 hp marker. A friend of mine is having Aki build him what I belive is the most exotic VW IDI yet built    - TDI block, SDI crankshaft, PD 140 timing assebly,  Pauter rods with AAZ pistons, heavily modified AAZ head, high-lift camshaft, special valves, 3-plenum intake, tube header, compound turbos with the bigger being rated for ~450 hp and a custom14 mm pump.
When that one is finished, we should see how far the 1.9 can reach  

[Rabbit on Roids]

I must ask can you put some pictures of that engine or some link tnx.

http://s659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/done/

It's a mk2 Golf, with 1.6 bottom end and 1.9 head, you can see the dyno plot on the album there.
But this is just one example, I know of at least two other 1.6s with 250 hp or more. I don't have those
dyno plots, but I can tell you the information is reliable ( I have seen quarter mile footage of one of them, and
have a witness for the dyno run of the other)

It isn't so special that you can get that kind of power out of these engines; the real trick would be to make
them driveable. That is something I have yet to see on high-power 1.6s. And I'll be going after ~220 hp with
good driveability myself.

If you think about IDI diesels, when you know that the Mercedes 12V 3.0 diesel can be made to produce more than 500 hp, that's 167 hp / litre +. And those hp number are made with no internal engine mods on the Mercs...
So 270 hp for a 1.6 and 315 hp for a 1.9 should be well within reach (and as for the 1.6 has already been done).
And come summer there will be one VW 1.9 IDI that will comfortably beat that 315 hp marker. A friend of mine is having Aki build him what I belive is the most exotic VW IDI yet built    - TDI block, SDI crankshaft, PD 140 timing assebly,  Pauter rods with AAZ pistons, heavily modified AAZ head, high-lift camshaft, special valves, 3-plenum intake, tube header, compound turbos with the bigger being rated for ~450 hp and a custom14 mm pump.
When that one is finished, we should see how far the 1.9 can reach  

or we will get to see how far the bits fly if it explodes. either way, its gonna be a ***in sight.