Lets see your Water/ Methanol Setups !!

[BioDieselVW]

Im considering installing a water/meth setup on my 1.6TD. Whos running it now and how is it working. Im unsure if I should build a setup or buckup and get the snowperformane setup which looks sweet. Show some pics and specs of what your running.

[Rabbit on Roids]

i dont think many people are running one. and i think less people built there own system.

[foxracer1]

Soon as i get my *** together i'll build one for my car. Also planning on fogging a little stink(propane) in there too. I can't bring my self to pay 400 or 500 + for a water meth kit that i know i could build.

[truckinwagen]

I ran a home built one for a while, but it had too many issues(mostly due to the fact that I couldn't find a pump that put out enough pressure)

so I broke down and bought one for $200 shipped, haven't run it yet, but it should be loads of fun.

it will be triggered by WOT and EGT on my new supercharged engine.

-Owen

[Rabbit on Roids]

Soon as i get my *** together i'll build one for my car. Also planning on fogging a little stink(propane) in there too. I can't bring my self to pay 400 or 500 + for a water meth kit that i know i could build.

propane is bad... diesels are not supposed to have fuel in the intake charge. it ignites way before it should. the propane ignites way before the diesel is even injected.

[truckinwagen]

done properly on a Direct Injection Diesel, propane can help burn all the fuel better.

that being said, it is generally considered a no no to do on an IDI motor.
(something about breaking the prechambers)

[Smokey Eddy]

done properly on a Direct Injection Diesel, propane can help burn all the fuel better.

that being said, it is generally considered a no no to do on an IDI motor.
(something about breaking the prechambers)

I too have heard horror stories of propane destroying the pre-chambers. =(

[Smokey Eddy]

Finding the right nozzle is the issue for me ...
there are lots of pumps that make heaps of pressure.
One could possibly run an NA injection pump where the AC would go and that would get you the pressure you need

This of course is total nonsense but i think there are pumps that make high enough pressure aren't there? Perhaps a common fuel pump from a domestic. They get expensive when you try to get high pressure and little to now power draw. If you have a motor that can draw enough amps at 12v?
there are some DIY's on this on here. search search search!

EDIT: would it be pointless to have 4 injection points on the intake? 1 for each channel? or should it just be a vapour in the intake close to the valves...
I guess what im really asking is ... is it being injected past the valves or is it flowing into the cylinder with the incoming air?

[foxracer1]

Well i plan to put a mTDI in it down the road. IDIs don't like lots of lp but you can run a little bit to help burn up the unburnt diesel.

[truckinwagen]

the problem finding a pump is finding one that will like the water/methanol.

methanol eats aluminum and water rusts steel(with help from the meth) so you need to find a compatible pump.

fuel pumps seise pretty quick.

the only ones I could find that are water/meth compatible and produce 150+ PSI were built for water/meth injection systems and cost lots of $$

it was not much more expensive to just buy the kit with the proper pump.

-Owen

[BellCityDubber]

http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=4374.0

http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=3724

[jtanguay]

the new propane/water injection is actually HHO injection 

read up on Stan Meyer for more info. but beware of all those goons out there selling their 'cheap' jars... you need a controller capable of delivering thousands of volts at mere milliamps at the waters resonance level (which is around 20khz). the theory of operation is pretty cool. just like using frequency to break glass, why not use frequency to break apart hydrogen and oxygen? and it takes about 1/3 the energy of electrolysis! at least 50% gain in fuel economy with the right setup... i'm gonna try and build one some of the components required are a 555 timer, a mosfet or two (i was thinking two mosfets alternating to reduce the stress on just one.. gotta think longevity here, especially when they are only a few bucks each or free if you have some old computer junk lying around  ) and some coils to get the right voltage. right now the vancouver gadgeteers are selling the right toroidal transformer core for $700, which is actually reasonable considering the work involved in making them. i might try using 42 gauge wire in bifilar configuration with a larger gauge to try and get 2000+ volts to make it work (about 1/4 the cost...)

the performance increase would also be pretty sweet! the amount of mods required for a gasser to run HHO is pretty extensive, including a lot of timing mods and oxygen sensor mods. with a diesel nothing is really required due to the timing specs already. HHO requires a lot of retarded timing. timing advance might actually need to be toned back on some peoples rigs though... 

happy injecting!

[vwjunkie53]

http://d24t.com/showthread.php?t=128

Writeup I did on the setup on my D24T.  Works great, I found using the more expensive washer fluid makes a bigger difference compaired to the cheap crap.  The lower the freeze point the higher meth % it has.  I don't think this would worth with an intercooler going in before the turbo, but with no IC, the turbo does a nice job of chopping it up and it really does work.

Jason

[rabbitman]

the new propane/water injection is actually HHO injection 

read up on Stan Meyer for more info. but beware of all those goons out there selling their 'cheap' jars... you need a controller capable of delivering thousands of volts at mere milliamps at the waters resonance level (which is around 20khz). the theory of operation is pretty cool. just like using frequency to break glass, why not use frequency to break apart hydrogen and oxygen? and it takes about 1/3 the energy of electrolysis! at least 50% gain in fuel economy with the right setup... i'm gonna try and build one some of the components required are a 555 timer, a mosfet or two (i was thinking two mosfets alternating to reduce the stress on just one.. gotta think longevity here, especially when they are only a few bucks each or free if you have some old computer junk lying around  ) and some coils to get the right voltage. right now the vancouver gadgeteers are selling the right toroidal transformer core for $700, which is actually reasonable considering the work involved in making them. i might try using 42 gauge wire in bifilar configuration with a larger gauge to try and get 2000+ volts to make it work (about 1/4 the cost...)

the performance increase would also be pretty sweet! the amount of mods required for a gasser to run HHO is pretty extensive, including a lot of timing mods and oxygen sensor mods. with a diesel nothing is really required due to the timing specs already. HHO requires a lot of retarded timing. timing advance might actually need to be toned back on some peoples rigs though... 

happy injecting!

I built a HHO jar last summer just going off of pictures I'd seen. It was such a waste of time, I got bubbles to rise off the wire but it didn't increase mileage at all. And it made a ton of heat!!!!! Then I left it in too long and the jar froze and broke. I saw a ebay add from a guy that had a two jar setup on his diesel rabbit and CLAIMED he was getting over 70mpg!!! and he was selling 'em for 75 bucks. What an easy money maker........

[OM617]

HHO is 100% scam, don't waste your time. Its been around as long as the "100mpg" carb scam and it works just as well.

I used to have 500cc/minute injection on my MB, its dyno showed 2hp increase at the wheels and no change in EGTs with 50/50. No difference at all using straight water.