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Reply #15September 10, 2009, 11:35:24 am

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Re: Yikes! Coolant problem after Turbo install
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2009, 11:35:24 am »
All Back together, Warmed it up and did and re-torque. Took it for a test run and hit between 15 and 20 psi a couple of times. Just short
burst no long pulls. So far so good.

Reply #16September 10, 2009, 06:02:20 pm

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Re: Yikes! Coolant problem after Turbo install
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2009, 06:02:20 pm »
Here's another goof question.

If spec called for .82 limit, and your spec was .81 -

would there be any appreciable foresight in going to the next gasket up, to allow for carbon build up on the dome and in the chambers over the next 100,000 miles ?

Or is that too much over-thinking ?
If the spec says .82 max then why would .81 be bad?  I don't think the carbon would have a chance to build up fast enough to cause an interference problem do you?

Reply #17September 10, 2009, 07:10:06 pm

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Re: Yikes! Coolant problem after Turbo install
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2009, 07:10:06 pm »
No, not an interference problem.
Was thinking it could raise the static compression ratio.
0.01 is a small amount.

A lot of tuners are lowering static compression ratio on turbo engines.
But i'm certainly no expert on that, or even an amateur.
That was what prompted the question.

Probably over-thinking on that deal.
Was just wondering if it would be good to leave some room to grow on.

He's not in any trouble by any means.
Spec is Spec, and he's putting it back to Specs.  :-X


Reply #18September 11, 2009, 10:11:56 pm

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Re: Yikes! Coolant problem after Turbo install
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2009, 10:11:56 pm »
This is what I've done as to torque
ARP fasteners.

30 lbs
45 lbs
65 lbs
80 lbs

Warm up engine with cap off coolant bottle let it cool, re torque to 95 lbs.

Personally I use MLS gaskets and to to 100lbs min my bud 52 wileys went to 110.

Others may argue this and say 95 is too high I suspect but I'll say this, Ran 35 psi regularly and not a single gasket failure. Even hit 40 psi a couple times.
Later, turned it down and kept it 30 psi or under as I got tired of the pile of turbo's in my shed getting larger.  >:(

Car is still running great.

Originally I was running a 3 notch when it called for a 1 notch, also had larger pre chamber installed. was kinda hard to start so I switched to a 1 notch gasket, hard starting gone.
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Reply #19September 12, 2009, 03:43:12 am

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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2009, 03:43:12 am »
Well, I got about 45 miles on it. Everything has checked out good so far. The process I used was very close to what you did Zukgod.
I did end up at 95 ft-lbs with a 1 notch gasket. I don't think I will be hitting those boost numbers though. I would like to stay around 18 to 20 max at least for now. Thanks to everyone who gave there advice. I'm sure I gonna have some question in the near future.

Reply #20September 19, 2009, 05:57:58 pm

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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2009, 05:57:58 pm »
Still running strong? I have had this same issue twice in a row now, once with a proper fiber core HG and then again with a metal AAZ HG. Both times I made it a few hundred miles then I started to get HUGE amounts of pressure building up in my system, so much so that I was literally blowing holes in my coolant hoses. I figured the first time was due to the fiber core or OEM HG i used just not being able to handle the new boost, but then it started to happen with the AAZ gasket. My problem is most likely a warped head.
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Reply #21September 20, 2009, 04:46:35 am

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« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2009, 04:46:35 am »
I have put about 350 miles on it so far. It is still holding. I have not seen a drop in coolant or oil level yet. I'm only running around 15 to 17 psi
of boost. I will say that these little turbos make a big difference in performance! :o

Reply #22September 21, 2009, 06:33:00 pm

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Re: Yikes! Coolant problem after Turbo install
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2009, 06:33:00 pm »
I have put about 350 miles on it so far. It is still holding. I have not seen a drop in coolant or oil level yet. I'm only running around 15 to 17 psi
of boost. I will say that these little turbos make a big difference in performance! :o
I did the same sequence and final of 95 on my T/D after it originaly leaked at 80 even with the ARP's after a few days.  I have 9,000 on it now and haven't put a drop in it yet.  I only have a max of 10 lbs. boost though but it's on 7 a good while everyday on the mountains though.  I'm hoping to see more when I put the other pump back on and get it straightened out this fall or winter.

Reply #23August 17, 2013, 03:43:12 pm

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Re: Yikes! Coolant problem after Turbo install
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2013, 03:43:12 pm »
This is what I've done as to torque
ARP fasteners.

30 lbs
45 lbs
65 lbs
80 lbs

Warm up engine with cap off coolant bottle let it cool, re torque to 95 lbs.

Personally I use MLS gaskets and to to 100lbs min my bud 52 wileys went to 110.

Others may argue this and say 95 is too high I suspect but I'll say this, Ran 35 psi regularly and not a single gasket failure. Even hit 40 psi a couple times.
Later, turned it down and kept it 30 psi or under as I got tired of the pile of turbo's in my shed getting larger.  >:(

Car is still running great.

Originally I was running a 3 notch when it called for a 1 notch, also had larger pre chamber installed. was kinda hard to start so I switched to a 1 notch gasket, hard starting gone.


wanted to bump this for a guy named Christopher who called me today.

Now we have the VW headstuds, but before when using the cogsworth I have used Zukgod's procedure with good results. I have also used my block heater to heat the block up to around 170f after the 80ft/lbs step and let it sit a day with it on. Then unplug the block heater and let it cool and put the final torque on it. That way no combustion process has the chance to blow the head gasket before it is finally torqued.

Reply #24August 18, 2013, 02:36:42 pm

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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2013, 02:36:42 pm »
It was great talking to you on the phone!

Just to clarify... do you think that with my fiber gasket it should be safe to run 20 pounds of boost using the ARP cosworth head studs?? I will use the torque sequence from above.

Reply #25August 18, 2013, 02:47:14 pm

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Re: Yikes! Coolant problem after Turbo install
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2013, 02:47:14 pm »
Never tried it, but have heard others have with ok results. ROR runs instaboost turbos on all his vws and runs them to high psi numbers and says he has no issues. MJF I think did it with one that was over 200whp on a fiber. I would run it and see if you have the gasket already.

Reply #26October 02, 2013, 03:01:11 pm

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« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2013, 03:01:11 pm »
I ran 20+ PSI on my fiber gasket for many years.  Never had any issues.  High EGTs eat head gaskets though - I have a big air/water intercooler.
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