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June 09, 2009, 04:42:04 pm

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Need New Stock Turbo
« on: June 09, 2009, 04:42:04 pm »
Where can one fine a new stock turbo. The stock turbo on a 1.6TD is a T3 correct?
1991 VW Jetta 1.6TD (Formally an ECO), Giles LDA Pump and Injectors, Techtonics 2.25" Down Pipe and Exhaust system, Rebuilt Trans with 3.94 final drive and a Peloquin Limited Slip Diff, Front H&R Sport Springs, MK4 VR6/1.8T front brakes, Single Round Headlight Conversion.

Reply #1June 09, 2009, 05:00:35 pm

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Re: Need New Stock Turbo
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2009, 05:00:35 pm »
Or the K24 and in some cases the K14.

Only source I know is German eBay.

How can you tell the difference? my car is a 91 ecodiesel
1991 VW Jetta 1.6TD (Formally an ECO), Giles LDA Pump and Injectors, Techtonics 2.25" Down Pipe and Exhaust system, Rebuilt Trans with 3.94 final drive and a Peloquin Limited Slip Diff, Front H&R Sport Springs, MK4 VR6/1.8T front brakes, Single Round Headlight Conversion.

Reply #2June 09, 2009, 05:27:26 pm

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Re: Need New Stock Turbo
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2009, 05:27:26 pm »
A place I've been considering is a place on the net called G-Pop Shop.  They have both new and rebuilt turbos and their prices seem fair to me from what I've seen elsewhere.  I'm considering a K14 myself from them.  I got a rebuilt turbo from a place called MJMturbos and am not satisfied at all with it with the Stage 1 upgrade he did.  I saved the old one that was on the motor when I got it which I totaly rebuilt and never heard it run before that.  I never got over 5 lb boost out of the rebuilt turbo so I tried the old original one and I've seen 10 on it so far which is the stock 83 1.6 T/D Garrett t/3 and has way better power both at the bottom and top end both and the odometer showed 432,000 mi on the old Jetta.  Depending on what you are planning to do with your engine don't get talked into one bigger than you need for the kind of driving you will be doing because unless you plan on doing a lot of other modifications to the engine it won't make as much power as a stock one.  I'm not saying that rebuilt turbos are bad, I'm just saying this modification they did {bigger compressor wheel} is not what I thought it would be, way too big and I don't know why they call it a stage 1 so ask a lot of questions as to wheel sizes, trim  and A/R if you plan on having anything extra done or if you buy one bigger than stock.  
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Reply #3June 09, 2009, 05:48:29 pm

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Re: Need New Stock Turbo
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2009, 05:48:29 pm »
That's for mentioning the shops. I actually just want a regular old stock turbo, because I don't plan on doing any upgrades to the car. It's my daily driver and I'm fine with it in stock form. My turbo has been leaking oil around the exterior and I can't for the life of me figure where it's coming from. I pulled all the plumbing apart the other day and there was no oil in the compressor side so I'm stumped.

I actually want to go through and just get my injectors rebuilt and my turbo rebuilt or get a new one, last summer I was getting 43mpg, now i'm down to 33mpg, not to happy about that.

Looks like G Shop has some good options.
1991 VW Jetta 1.6TD (Formally an ECO), Giles LDA Pump and Injectors, Techtonics 2.25" Down Pipe and Exhaust system, Rebuilt Trans with 3.94 final drive and a Peloquin Limited Slip Diff, Front H&R Sport Springs, MK4 VR6/1.8T front brakes, Single Round Headlight Conversion.

Reply #4June 09, 2009, 06:23:31 pm

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Re: Need New Stock Turbo
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2009, 06:23:31 pm »
Yea that's all I want too is just the stock one just for everyday driving and pulling hills.  I have heard that the K14 will start to spool up a little quicker and I want to find out a little more on here about these things, it sounds like you are in about the same situation I'm in.  This old T3 I'm using now doesn't even have a wastegate canister anymore because it all rusted away so I took it all apart and lapped the valve and just reassembled it that way.  I haven't seen over 10 psi. and it doesn't look like it's necessary to me unless you get real high and I don't forsee that happening with the type of engine I want and mileage.  I'm getting around 43-45 on this rebuilt 1.6 but I don't have the T/D pump on yet but the mileage did come up and power too after I took that Stage 1 abomination off and tried the half million mile original one and I swear it's just as snug shaft wise as the rebuilt one.  I want something that will go to about ten psi. on a mountain pull and spool up a little quicker at the bottom end and I hear the K14 does this.

Reply #5June 09, 2009, 06:53:52 pm

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Re: Need New Stock Turbo
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2009, 06:53:52 pm »
I want something that will go to about ten psi. on a mountain pull and spool up a little quicker at the bottom end and I hear the K14 does this.

Yes, it does.  Provided your sticking with stock boost pressures there's no downside to the k14.  You'll spool 1,000 rpms sooner without any detriment to the upper rpms.  Sounds like the K14 is just the ticket for you.


Thank's for the quick answer, I think I'm going to get in contact with G-Pop Shop and tell them what I want or do.  Do you have any other recomendations on a place to get one, probably a rebuilt one as long as it has good parts in it.

Reply #6June 10, 2009, 06:48:49 pm

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Re: Need New Stock Turbo
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2009, 06:48:49 pm »
The ECOdiesel would have come stock with a k14.

There is ALWAYS oil in the compressor area because the crank vent, which contains oil vapors, enters the intake tubing upstream of the turbo.  If the turbo is making boost, the wastegate is regulating it to 10 psi or so, both fans are in good condition and the shaft spins freely and doesn't rub the housings, then there's no need to rebuild the turbo.  It won't gain you anything.  A rebuilt one won't gain you any added fuel economy.  Clean it and figure out where the oil is leaking from.  Most often it is leaking from around the intake hose and being pushed out by boost pressure.  I wonder how many turbos have been replaced when tightening the hose clamp would have cured the symptoms?

Injectors are certainly worth rebuilding if they have significant miles on them (more than 60,000).  They can have a bit of an impact on fuel economy, but the engine would have to be running like doo-doo for the injectors to make that big of a difference.  More importantly is that routinely rebuilding them can prevent internal engine damage (such as piston erosion or increased cylinder wear) which can happen without even any display of any symptoms at all.

Most likely your fuel economy drop is some other factor (timing, compression, dragging brakes, tire pressure, bad cv joints, bad wheel bearings, etc, etc, etc...  the list is extensive).


Andrew

Speaking specifically to that, all brakes are new, all wheel bearings are new, I checked my injection timing after I replaced my timing belt last summer, all is good. I even got 43 mpg after all that. But over the coarse of the winter it dropped to 32-33mpg, I was hoping it was just winter fuel but it's not the case.

Another note. I believe my boot from the compressor to the intake manifold might have been loose, because occasionally on a hard start in the winter I'd get a puff of smoke from the turbo but I never could tell exactly where it was coming from. I recently pulled all my hoses off the turbo, they all seemed very tight, but I reinstalled them and made sure they were tight.

Also I have a easy spinning compressor and no play in the shaft.
1991 VW Jetta 1.6TD (Formally an ECO), Giles LDA Pump and Injectors, Techtonics 2.25" Down Pipe and Exhaust system, Rebuilt Trans with 3.94 final drive and a Peloquin Limited Slip Diff, Front H&R Sport Springs, MK4 VR6/1.8T front brakes, Single Round Headlight Conversion.

Reply #7June 11, 2009, 04:31:15 pm

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Re: Need New Stock Turbo
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2009, 04:31:15 pm »
The ECOdiesel would have come stock with a k14.

There is ALWAYS oil in the compressor area because the crank vent, which contains oil vapors, enters the intake tubing upstream of the turbo.  If the turbo is making boost, the wastegate is regulating it to 10 psi or so, both fans are in good condition and the shaft spins freely and doesn't rub the housings, then there's no need to rebuild the turbo.  It won't gain you anything.  A rebuilt one won't gain you any added fuel economy.  Clean it and figure out where the oil is leaking from.  Most often it is leaking from around the intake hose and being pushed out by boost pressure.  I wonder how many turbos have been replaced when tightening the hose clamp would have cured the symptoms?

Injectors are certainly worth rebuilding if they have significant miles on them (more than 60,000).  They can have a bit of an impact on fuel economy, but the engine would have to be running like doo-doo for the injectors to make that big of a difference.  More importantly is that routinely rebuilding them can prevent internal engine damage (such as piston erosion or increased cylinder wear) which can happen without even any display of any symptoms at all.

Most likely your fuel economy drop is some other factor (timing, compression, dragging brakes, tire pressure, bad cv joints, bad wheel bearings, etc, etc, etc...  the list is extensive).


Andrew

Speaking specifically to that, all brakes are new, all wheel bearings are new, I checked my injection timing after I replaced my timing belt last summer, all is good. I even got 43 mpg after all that. But over the coarse of the winter it dropped to 32-33mpg, I was hoping it was just winter fuel but it's not the case.

Another note. I believe my boot from the compressor to the intake manifold might have been loose, because occasionally on a hard start in the winter I'd get a puff of smoke from the turbo but I never could tell exactly where it was coming from. I recently pulled all my hoses off the turbo, they all seemed very tight, but I reinstalled them and made sure they were tight.

Also I have a easy spinning compressor and no play in the shaft.
Just out of curiosity, why not try a new fuel filter?  I changed a 1.5 engine that got 54 mpg to another 80 Rabbit and still got 10 mpg less just like the other engine.  It was the fuel filter the whole time. :-[

Reply #8June 13, 2009, 04:22:38 pm

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Re: Need New Stock Turbo
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2009, 04:22:38 pm »
Already tired changing the fuel filter out about 500 miles ago....I was hoping it would fix it....mileage didn't change at all.
1991 VW Jetta 1.6TD (Formally an ECO), Giles LDA Pump and Injectors, Techtonics 2.25" Down Pipe and Exhaust system, Rebuilt Trans with 3.94 final drive and a Peloquin Limited Slip Diff, Front H&R Sport Springs, MK4 VR6/1.8T front brakes, Single Round Headlight Conversion.

Reply #9June 13, 2009, 05:21:04 pm

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Re: Need New Stock Turbo
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2009, 05:21:04 pm »
Already tired changing the fuel filter out about 500 miles ago....I was hoping it would fix it....mileage didn't change at all.

get a cheapie $5 vacuum gauge and leave it after the filter.  this will give you a good idea of whats going on, and also let you know when its time for a new filter  ;)

even new filters can be bad...  ::)


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Reply #10June 13, 2009, 07:34:50 pm

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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2009, 07:34:50 pm »
Already tired changing the fuel filter out about 500 miles ago....I was hoping it would fix it....mileage didn't change at all.

get a cheapie $5 vacuum gauge and leave it after the filter.  this will give you a good idea of whats going on, and also let you know when its time for a new filter  ;)

even new filters can be bad...  ::)
Are you talking about installing a vacum gauge after an air filter or a fuel filter? 

Reply #11July 03, 2009, 12:45:45 pm

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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2009, 12:45:45 pm »
I'm bringing this one back up....here's what I've done to troubleshoot my mileage issue.

-Pulled injectors, had them rebuilt with all new nozzles.
-Checked Timing, dead on to where I set it when I previously did the timing belt a year ago. about .037-.038
- Check compression, all cylinders were withing 440-450psi, well withing the low limit of 417psi
- Checked ALL intake/turbo boots, no holes, no cuts, made sure the clamp were all very tight
- Installed new air filter
- Installed new fuel filter (about 1000 miles ago)
Results mileage only increased from 30 or so to 35, this is killing me not being able to get it up to my normal 43.

Mentioned in another thread was air in getting to the IP, i do get a bubble every now and them going into the IP in the clear line, but all my rubber hoses on the fuel filter were new when I replace the fuel filter.

I still think I'm gonna pull my turbo and have it rebuilt. I can't hear the thing spool up at all like I used to.

I am absolutely stump on this mileage thing....would appreciate any suggestions.
1991 VW Jetta 1.6TD (Formally an ECO), Giles LDA Pump and Injectors, Techtonics 2.25" Down Pipe and Exhaust system, Rebuilt Trans with 3.94 final drive and a Peloquin Limited Slip Diff, Front H&R Sport Springs, MK4 VR6/1.8T front brakes, Single Round Headlight Conversion.

Reply #12July 03, 2009, 08:44:35 pm

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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2009, 08:44:35 pm »
I'm bringing this one back up....here's what I've done to troubleshoot my mileage issue.

-Pulled injectors, had them rebuilt with all new nozzles.
-Checked Timing, dead on to where I set it when I previously did the timing belt a year ago. about .037-.038
- Check compression, all cylinders were withing 440-450psi, well withing the low limit of 417psi
- Checked ALL intake/turbo boots, no holes, no cuts, made sure the clamp were all very tight
- Installed new air filter
- Installed new fuel filter (about 1000 miles ago)
Results mileage only increased from 30 or so to 35, this is killing me not being able to get it up to my normal 43.

Mentioned in another thread was air in getting to the IP, i do get a bubble every now and them going into the IP in the clear line, but all my rubber hoses on the fuel filter were new when I replace the fuel filter.

I still think I'm gonna pull my turbo and have it rebuilt. I can't hear the thing spool up at all like I used to.

I am absolutely stump on this mileage thing....would appreciate any suggestions.
Do you have a boost gauge, is it showing any boost at all?  Maby the wastegate is  stuck open, it's hard to tell what's going on without a gauge.  If it is open all the time that could be most of your problem, the turbo is just causing an exhaust restriction if it's just going along for the ride and not making any boost>

Reply #13July 04, 2009, 06:53:41 am

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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2009, 06:53:41 am »

Do you have a boost gauge, is it showing any boost at all?  Maby the wastegate is  stuck open, it's hard to tell what's going on without a gauge.  If it is open all the time that could be most of your problem, the turbo is just causing an exhaust restriction if it's just going along for the ride and not making any boost>

That thought has crossed my mind...I'm going to have to get a boost gauge...but check out another thread of mine with some pictures of oil leaking on my turbo....going to look into this a little further as well

http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=20318.0
1991 VW Jetta 1.6TD (Formally an ECO), Giles LDA Pump and Injectors, Techtonics 2.25" Down Pipe and Exhaust system, Rebuilt Trans with 3.94 final drive and a Peloquin Limited Slip Diff, Front H&R Sport Springs, MK4 VR6/1.8T front brakes, Single Round Headlight Conversion.