New Giles T/D injectors

[Rabbit TD]

I looked all over the net lately for a place to get a set of rebuilt injectors that stated they were actualy pop tested and just gave up and called Giles this morning.  They are $45 appeace with new nozzles and definately pop tested to 155 bar which he stated himself.  There is a $25 core charge but I  told him I only had 3 155's to begin with and I'd just hang on to them and eat the core.  I expected a big shipping charge from there but it was only $15 to Williamsport Md. here which surprised me too.  I looked all over and didn't see them any cheaper than he has them and who knows what they really are to begin with which is a big concern trying to me trying to diagnose future problems if that is an unknown.  I'm really glad I ordered them there as I feel more secure from all I've read here about his business and capabilities.  I told him all the good things I've read about him here and that seemed to make him happy.  I know I'll probably be sending him the pump before long for a rebuild since it's the only thing left that hasn't been rebuilt or replaced on this thing.  I just got a call yesterday telling me they want to come back to work on the 23'rd {Seasonal Nat. Park Service} so I want to get some more miles on the new engine before pulling the 2 mountains everyday again.  I'm looking forward to see what the difference will be and mileage if any, it was doing 52 with the N/A which I was really happy with.

[burn_your_money]

There is a $25 core charge but I  told him I only had 3 155's to begin with and I'd just hang on to them and eat the core.  

I'm pretty sure that it's $25/injector to make sure that we get them back.

How many miles do you have to travel up and down the mountains? Congrats on getting a call back, that's always good news

[turborabbit]

Hey Rabbit TD, are your 3 spare injectors dry? If so, would you part with any or all? Assuming you would, how much would you want? I have 8-3dry-5leakers. Locals don't have 155 bar-don't wnat to go to the stealership. I have a small bucket full of 130's and 135's, but I haven't pop tested them yet, and really don't want to change. How 'bout it? Thanks-warren :oops:

[zukgod1]

Just send em to Duane blkboostedtruck and he will pop them for ya.

[Jettage1]

Giles has been great to work with.  One nasty surprise - if you live in the States and you put your order on your credit card, you may get charged a currency exchange fee.  When I ordered my pump & injectors I think I got socked with something like a $30 fee.  At least the exchange rate was favorable!

[turborabbit]

Thanks "Z", but I can "pop" them, at least I think I can. I have an "e-bay" tester that I'm in process of assembling and mounting. Do you know if they are difficult to re-build? Thanks-warren

[burn_your_money]

Hey Rabbit TD, are your 3 spare injectors dry? If so, would you part with any or all? Assuming you would, how much would you want? I have 8-3dry-5leakers. Locals don't have 155 bar-don't wnat to go to the stealership. I have a small bucket full of 130's and 135's, but I haven't pop tested them yet, and really don't want to change. How 'bout it? Thanks-warren :oops:

Incase you didn't know, the 135s are Mercedes injectors. I would not recommend installing mixed injectors, especially VW and MB ones.

[Rabbit TD]

There is a $25 core charge but I  told him I only had 3 155's to begin with and I'd just hang on to them and eat the core.  

I'm pretty sure that it's $25/injector to make sure that we get them back.

How many miles do you have to travel up and down the mountains? Congrats on getting a call back, that's always good news

Oh yes I definatelly understood the $25 appeace core price but I just wanted to keep the old ones anyway since they must be a little harder to get and I like spare parts too.
     The 2 mountains are South mountain and Braddock mountain.  South mountain is the highest one on I-70 on the trip and I think it is 1100 feet at the top from what I remember the sign saying.  It's always a big adventure for me against the mountain with the rabbit and being the oldest car on the road by far just going to work.  I get a kick out of cruisng along at 70 beside the new Prius's and others knowing I'm getting better mileage than they do on the Interstate but the mountain is the test.  If I can hit it it at 75 I can usualy top it at 65 but that is only if you don't have to lift the throttle at all cause then it's all over and then you have to move over or get run over. It works out about 20% of the time.  I've never even gave the EGT a thought with he N/A this past 3 years but deffinately watch the water temp gauge and with the 180 thermostat it doesn't get past halfway on the stock gauge.  I know I will be paying more attention now though with the new T/D and I have all Autometer Boost, EGT with the Spruce thermocouple and Water Temp gauges in a 3 hole top of dash pod.  I'm really axious to see how this turbo motor will be on the mountain pull especially with the new injectors on the trip and mileage change if any.  The rebuilt N/A was doing 52 but really put out the black smoke going up the mountain everyday but ran perfect.  This new engine  makes almost no smoke so far {about 120 miles on it now} but I want to get it broken in more before subjecting it to the mountain in another 12 days, new injectors should be here soon.  I just want to establish a baseline with a basicly stock but rebored and a little bigger turbo engine before I go any farther but I know how I am and the pump will probably be making it's way to Canada for a visit to you guys before long :lol:

[Rabbit TD]

Hey Rabbit TD, are your 3 spare injectors dry? If so, would you part with any or all? Assuming you would, how much would you want? I have 8-3dry-5leakers. Locals don't have 155 bar-don't wnat to go to the stealership. I have a small bucket full of 130's and 135's, but I haven't pop tested them yet, and really don't want to change. How 'bout it? Thanks-warren :oops:

Yes they were all dry when I took them out, even the odd-ball 130.  I just want to hang onto them though since I've seen what its like searching for them also.  This new engine has super compression and timing at 1.0 but cranks for a long time before it starts even when warm so I suspected injetors and switched them with my N/A ones last weekend but it doesn't make much diference but there is a difference in a little less power though with them.  Just do yourself a favor and get them from Giles and you will know what you have.  There is so much junk out there today and corners being cut on parts like that it's just not worth the agravation and taking a chance and his price is as good or better than the others anyway

[Rabbit TD]

Giles has been great to work with.  One nasty surprise - if you live in the States and you put your order on your credit card, you may get charged a currency exchange fee.  When I ordered my pump & injectors I think I got socked with something like a $30 fee.  At least the exchange rate was favorable!

I know I readsomething on here somewhere about things going back and forth from here to Canada as an extra charge but I just figured it was shipping rates but my injectors were just $15 from there and I thought that was fine.  I guess the $30 on your charge card was based on the total amount for your pump and injectors though wasn't it and was that the only thing other than the shipping we have to contend with.

[Rabbit TD]

Thanks "Z", but I can "pop" them, at least I think I can. I have an "e-bay" tester that I'm in process of assembling and mounting. Do you know if they are difficult to re-build? Thanks-warren

There isn't much to replacing the nozzles, just screw the injectors apart, lap the surfaces, clean everything with brake clean and lube them with ATF when you put them together and torque.  The problem is though that even if you have a tester where are you going to get an assortment of shims needed to adjust the pop pressures to begin with, that's why I went to Giles because even if you buy them somewhere you don't know if they are even tested let alone adjusted to what they are supposed to be.  You can put in new nozzles and they won't leak but if they break at all different pressures the engine will idle rougher and not be near as efficient just because of a little 1/4 in. dia. shim that's not the right thickness.  I did a set one time with new nozzles thinking that was all there was to it and they made so much noise it was pathetic but ran ok, I just couldn't stand the noise and put them back the way they were originaly, I didn't even know there was such a thing then as pop testing or breaking pressure.  We're learning all the time

[Vincent Waldon]

Do you know if they are difficult to re-build? Thanks-warren

Here's some pictures that may help give you an idea of what's involved:

http://vincewaldon.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20&Itemid=28

[subsonic]

In reality, it does not matter what the out side of the injector says ie 130 or 155 but what they are calibrated for.  Of course it helps to know for sure what you have.  Point in case, I had some injectors for my na rebuilt.  One was leaking like a sieve for some reason, They guy said he could get to it in a day or so, I had some extra 155 bodies and gave him one to swap the nozzle into.  10 min later it was all done, pop tested and adjusted.  Of course if you did not know that I had done that you be be all " what the hell?" when you saw the bodies.  Just a thought.

[Rabbit TD]

In reality, it does not matter what the out side of the injector says ie 130 or 155 but what they are calibrated for.  Of course it helps to know for sure what you have.  Point in case, I had some injectors for my na rebuilt.  One was leaking like a sieve for some reason, They guy said he could get to it in a day or so, I had some extra 155 bodies and gave him one to swap the nozzle into.  10 min later it was all done, pop tested and adjusted.  Of course if you did not know that I had done that you be be all " what the hell?" when you saw the bodies.  Just a thought.

I thought too that the bodies would be interchangeable and the pop pressres set to either 155 or 130 but I really don't know what was done with the one I have that has 130 stamped on it and that's why I just went ahead and got the Giles ones so I can start off fresh and go from there.  As far as that goes I really don't know anything about the other 3 either other they they don't leak.