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January 29, 2009, 09:56:26 pm

Earwig225

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« on: January 29, 2009, 09:56:26 pm »
I have a 1982 Jetta and I have a 1987 1.6TD I want to install into it. The engines look pretty much the same however, I was wondering if there is any major differences -- wiring, clutch, hoses ect -- that I should know about before I tackle this swap

Thanks!
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Reply #1January 29, 2009, 11:53:52 pm

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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2009, 11:53:52 pm »
everything should be fine... hoses shouldnt be a problem, but you will need to sort out something for the exhaust i should imagine.
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Reply #2January 30, 2009, 01:25:22 am

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2009, 01:25:22 am »
yeah, you'll need to fabricate an exhaust downpipe for sure. But its an easy job in itself. The restis just plug and play :-)

I went from a 1.6 petrol to a 1.6 GTD in only 2 days,and had her running and doing 500 miles a week the day after :-)
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Reply #3January 30, 2009, 07:18:32 am

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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2009, 07:18:32 am »
GO FOR IT !! Yeah, other than the possibility you might have to make a down pipe like many of us have, you could run into an issue with the anti-torque engine mount next to the starter motor like I did on my project - half way down you'll see it
http://www.vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=15633&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45

My TD oil filter flange was turned 35 degrees or so, this blocked the mount I was going to use...
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Reply #4January 30, 2009, 11:12:47 am

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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2009, 11:12:47 am »
I was told that there is one wire that needs to be added to the TD Pump so it knows when you have it at full throttle.

Is this true?
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Reply #5January 30, 2009, 01:47:52 pm

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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2009, 01:47:52 pm »
I just did this with my 81 jetta, with a td from a 91. There is one hose thats kind of goofy. One from the heater core to the metal piece that goes to the water pump is two different sizes. I just cranked a hose clamp on it so hopefully it seals.

Im doing a mk2 dash swap also so I have the diesel tachometer as well. Which will be much tougher than the engine swap Im thinking.

And like others have said, new downpipe. Might as well build a nice big one. And while its out, put a pyrometer in the manifold.

CAs
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Reply #6January 30, 2009, 02:24:16 pm

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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2009, 02:24:16 pm »
Quote from: "Earwig225"
I was told that there is one wire that needs to be added to the TD Pump so it knows when you have it at full throttle.

Is this true?


Not for the 1.6TD... and only for the eco version of the 1.9... afaik. ;-)
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Reply #7January 30, 2009, 04:11:42 pm

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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2009, 04:11:42 pm »
Quote from: "Kantdrivefast"
I just did this with my 81 jetta, with a td from a 91. There is one hose thats kind of goofy. One from the heater core to the metal piece that goes to the water pump is two different sizes. I just cranked a hose clamp on it so hopefully it seals.

Im doing a mk2 dash swap also so I have the diesel tachometer as well. Which will be much tougher than the engine swap Im thinking.

And like others have said, new downpipe. Might as well build a nice big one. And while its out, put a pyrometer in the manifold.

CAs
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Reply #8January 30, 2009, 04:12:01 pm

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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2009, 04:12:01 pm »
Quote from: "Kantdrivefast"
I just did this with my 81 jetta, with a td from a 91. There is one hose thats kind of goofy. One from the heater core to the metal piece that goes to the water pump is two different sizes. I just cranked a hose clamp on it so hopefully it seals.

Im doing a mk2 dash swap also so I have the diesel tachometer as well. Which will be much tougher than the engine swap Im thinking.

And like others have said, new downpipe. Might as well build a nice big one. And while its out, put a pyrometer in the manifold.

CAs



Those oddball and expensive, different size hoses like the one you're talking about and the 3 outlet one on the oil cooler can easily be made yourself with different sized barbed brass fittings and hose clamps from Lowes ect.  I think that oil cooler one alone is like $70 from Parts Place, I don't think I have $5 in the one I made.
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Reply #9January 30, 2009, 07:50:04 pm

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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2009, 07:50:04 pm »
and here i thought this was a challenge post between the 1.6n/a and the 1,6td.. :(!

N/A's ARE BETTER! LMAO
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Reply #10January 30, 2009, 10:14:11 pm

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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2009, 10:14:11 pm »
Quote from: "8v-of-fury"
and here i thought this was a challenge post between the 1.6n/a and the 1,6td.. :(!

N/A's ARE BETTER! LMAO


i'm so tired and your pic is messing with my mind... oh and TURBO'S RULE!!!  :lol:
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Reply #11January 30, 2009, 10:27:02 pm

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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2009, 10:27:02 pm »
trippy eh!? N/a's are better! INSTANTANEOUS TORQUE, 0 Turbo lag.

i found my pic over on vwvortex in a animated gif thread. had like 40 pages :P of just crazy *** like that.. lol
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Reply #12January 30, 2009, 11:16:47 pm

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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2009, 11:16:47 pm »
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Actually, n/a have less torque and INFINITE LAG.

Andrew


pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft. lol
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Reply #13January 30, 2009, 11:38:43 pm

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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2009, 11:38:43 pm »
Quote from: "libbybapa"
Actually, n/a have less torque and INFINITE LAG.

Andrew

yep I agree...
diesels are were not really cool until turbos found there way on to them... :twisted:
turbo= :D
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Reply #14January 31, 2009, 07:38:57 am

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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2009, 07:38:57 am »
Plug and play. The exhaust matches up, don't worry about that.

You might need to run an extra wire to the pump. I have seen a eco diesel pump from the states that had the solenoid on the advance like the canadian AAZ motor. Just wire it in with the stop solenoid.

Since both are MK2 all the coolant hoses should match up. Does either have AC though? That'll mess your game up a little.
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