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Reply #240April 02, 2009, 04:06:18 pm

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« Reply #240 on: April 02, 2009, 04:06:18 pm »
this is what i found its the measurement from an hx35w but they have the same compressor but different turbine side from what i understand i'm still. i'm trying to find the hy35w's turbine side

Compressor minor/major: 2.077"(52.75mm)/3.0645"(77.84mm)
Turbine minor/major: 2.2825"(57.98mm)/2.5670"(65.20mm)
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Reply #241April 02, 2009, 04:11:59 pm

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« Reply #241 on: April 02, 2009, 04:11:59 pm »
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Once you go unfiltered wheat beer, you never go back to regular beer!



yum!!!  now a couple of those is like a full course meal  :lol:


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Reply #242April 02, 2009, 05:59:16 pm

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« Reply #242 on: April 02, 2009, 05:59:16 pm »
The hy35 from the doge cummins has a 54mm inducer?? Too big unless you rev the engine to 5500 rpm.It will only start to get moving at 4000 +.Heck its even a touch bigger than what I'm running for a primary turbo on my compound setup.An hx30 would work ok but a Schwitzer like turboJ has is using would be best yet.Or a 50 trim T3.

Reply #243April 02, 2009, 06:59:27 pm

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« Reply #243 on: April 02, 2009, 06:59:27 pm »
ok, i do not understand turbo sizing very well, but i would like to somewhat copy what dave did with his 200hp build(he did only reach 195hp though) but he used a t3/t4 60trim .63 ar.  so i wanted to find something similar to this which came with surge protection, and an internal waste gate, viola the hy35w is supposed to be a similar sized turbo that is said to spool much faster.  but since i do not understand turbo sizing very well, it's hard for me to make such a call, but i do know that dave was revving to nearly 6k.
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Reply #244April 03, 2009, 06:36:51 am

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« Reply #244 on: April 03, 2009, 06:36:51 am »
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Once you go unfiltered wheat beer, you never go back to regular beer!


YES !! Especially if its on tap in Germany ! You can get crap faced every night and not get a hang-over. They have purity laws there - no chemicals in their beer.

I make beer like this at home. It take about 3 - 4 weeks, but it worth it. Blue Moon is very similar and its severed on tap around here.

Reply #245April 03, 2009, 06:02:06 pm

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« Reply #245 on: April 03, 2009, 06:02:06 pm »
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ok, i do not understand turbo sizing very well, but i would like to somewhat copy what dave did with his 200hp build(he did only reach 195hp though) but he used a t3/t4 60trim .63 ar.  so i wanted to find something similar to this which came with surge protection, and an internal waste gate, viola the hy35w is supposed to be a similar sized turbo that is said to spool much faster.  but since i do not understand turbo sizing very well, it's hard for me to make such a call, but i do know that dave was revving to nearly 6k.


Yes you can run a big turbo and get good hp but you will loose tons of torque.Using a smaller turbo will give much more torque at lower rpm.I don't want to operate a diesel that has gasser like torque otherwise I'd have a gasser.We don't need to rev the diesels past 5000 rpm to keep up with the gasser its all about the torque :wink:

Reply #246April 03, 2009, 08:58:25 pm

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« Reply #246 on: April 03, 2009, 08:58:25 pm »
T3 is slightly too big for me in everyday driving. I only really see boost on my 1.6/1.9 at 0.5 throttle or more. at WOT it will pin my gauge at 30 pretty quick though but no higher than 30 i wouldn't think.


If you're just having a psi competition i guess a big turbo would be nice? hit 50psi if you can ruddy fuel it enough!
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Reply #247April 04, 2009, 09:33:24 am

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« Reply #247 on: April 04, 2009, 09:33:24 am »
ok i see.  maybe an hx30 would be a better choice.
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Reply #248April 05, 2009, 12:11:06 pm

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« Reply #248 on: April 05, 2009, 12:11:06 pm »
A small update once again.

The bodyshell is at the paint shop, and it should apparently be ready in a couple of days.

Here's a couple of pics...

Some filler was needed because of slight welding-induced distortion where we fixed the fuel filler surround, and the top of the rear panel:



Primer has been applied, and door frames, wind shield/rear screen frames painted with LY3D.



I believe I'll be able to post up some pictures of the complete new paint job in a couple of days. Meanwhile, happy smoking to all!
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Reply #249April 05, 2009, 01:58:21 pm

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« Reply #249 on: April 05, 2009, 01:58:21 pm »
lookin good!  i've always wanted to tear down a mk2 and re-do it completely like that.  but my dream is to powder coat the entire shell and laugh in the face of salt and rust mouhuhhuhahahahha!!!  :lol:


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Reply #250April 13, 2009, 06:43:10 am

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Reply #251April 13, 2009, 08:06:45 am

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« Reply #251 on: April 13, 2009, 08:06:45 am »
Is it OK to cover the precombustion chamber like that with the ceramic coating?

Did you ceramic coat the exhaust ports as well?

Are the valves oem or did you use over size intake and exhaust valves?

Are the valves "back cut / under cut" to help improve flow?

Can you tell us about the AAZ-camshaft with 'R-koneistus' reground profile.  Do you have the lift and duration specifications?  How will this cam affect lower rpm daily driving torque levels?

Have you ever had any of your heads flow tested after the porting is complete?  If so, what do the numbers look like?

Do you know what the compression ratio on this engine will be when everything is all done?  Because it is a daily driver I am guessing that you will have had to keep it higher than a race engine setup.

For the turbo selection process, do you know what this engine will move for airflow?  I have seen numbers for a stock 1.6td and for stock 1.9td, but never flow numbers for a performance 1.6/1.9 engine.  It has always been some what of a guessing game.  I am sure the ported intake tract and the better intake manifold will increase the number, as well as the work you have done around the combustion chambers.

That's a lot of questions for now :lol:    
I look forward to reading your answers.

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Reply #252April 13, 2009, 10:49:48 am

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« Reply #252 on: April 13, 2009, 10:49:48 am »
Quote from: "subsonic"


1. Is it OK to cover the precombustion chamber like that
with the ceramic coating?

2. Did you ceramic coat the exhaust ports as well?

3 & 4.Are the valves oem or did you use over size intake and exhaust valves? Are the valves "back cut / under cut" to help improve flow?

5. Can you tell us about the AAZ-camshaft with 'R-koneistus' reground
profile.  Do you have the lift and duration specifications?  
How will this cam affect lower rpm daily driving torque levels?

6. Have you ever had any of your heads flow tested after the porting is
complete?  If so, what do the numbers look like?

7. Do you know what the compression ratio on this engine will be when
everything is all done?  Because it is a daily driver I am guessing that you will have had to keep it higher than a race engine setup.

8. For the turbo selection process, do you know what this engine will move
for airflow?  I have seen numbers for a stock 1.6td and for stock 1.9td, but never flow numbers for a performance 1.6/1.9 engine.  It has always been some what of a guessing game.  I am sure the ported intake tract and the better intake manifold will increase the number, as well as the work you have done around the combustion chambers.

That's a lot of questions for now :lol:    
I look forward to reading your answers.

Jim

 
Yes, that IS a lot of questions! :lol:

No problem though, I love to reply all the questions you guys might have!

1.
Yes. The combustion chamber can't have un-coated hot spots, besides
the ceramic coating adds a slight layer of matter onto the chamber     head, so with one spot not coated, it could cause a sealing problem.

2.
Aki is going to do that, but it's still to do. He's a pretty busy guy now that we all want out diesel monsters ready for the summer :)

3. and 4.
Valves are OEM AAZ size, but they are 3-way cut/polished. It's a VW 8V specific angle job which apparently has a big effect on total air flow.
And the AAZ inlet valves are slightly bigger than 1.6 ones to begin with.

5.
It's 260 degrees duration and the valve lift is 9,45 mm.
The inlet valve opens at 202 degrees after TDC.  
Does anyone have the stock spec?
The cam should enable much more flow on the higher rpm range, but the side effect of less low-down torque is actually a wanted one in my case.
The Jetta doesn't weigh much so low-down torque isn't all that important, but this does improve engine durability. So that's what we wanted, really.
Will see how the cam acts in practice in a few weeks' time!

6.
Not to my knowledge. But Aki is contemplating on getting a flow bench, and then we would really see what makes what in head tuning.

7.
C.R. will be slightly less than typically with a 1.6/1.9 combination.
If someone knows, please tell me what the C.R. would normally be on an AAZ-headed 1.6 - I have forgotten the numbers.
My head has had some material ground off when the chamber was reshaped, the valves sit deeper, and also my .5 mm oversize pistons will have a small effect.
We didn't measure the actual C.R. because we knew that similar engines have worked OK, and have not had serious cold-starting problems.

8.
I'll ask Aki what estimates he's been using for CFM when doing the inlet and head work. As for the turbo selection, we didn't look as much at port sizes and ARs, we used experience in determining which turbo we wanted. An S1BG with 39/46 wheels has performed well on a 1.6, and had exactly the right boost behaviour. The little Schwitzer is very tough (rated at 30+ PSI continuous) and moves a great deal of air considering its size, and has a smooth boost curve to help eliminate unnecessery engine stress.
Now the turbo is getting a 42 mm inducer wheel to better match the high-flowing inlet and cylinder head. It should have about 220-230 hp capacity on my engine once it's done. When I do the Evo2 build with stronger rods, I may move onto a bigger turbo, or put a bigger turbine on the Schwitzer.
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Reply #253April 13, 2009, 02:21:45 pm

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« Reply #253 on: April 13, 2009, 02:21:45 pm »
All seems good stuff, I'd love to go crazy on the two 1y's i can get my hands on for free, lol!

I've had the 1Y manifold modded to fit the T25 for my M-TDI build, cheers for inspiring me!

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Reply #254April 17, 2009, 12:47:56 pm

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« Reply #254 on: April 17, 2009, 12:47:56 pm »
just spent 2 hours reading this build very very cool i have a mk1 caddy diesel and have just gone and brought a 1.6 gtd engine getting it on sunday

keep up the good work will follow this build
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