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June 17, 2005, 06:58:09 pm

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« on: June 17, 2005, 06:58:09 pm »
Okay, I've had a mechanical pump built, and it works but to be honest theres parts from 4 different pumps in there, to build another will be a nightmare to source all the parts required.
I have a few reports back that the Fiat Chroma pump is almost right and is a fairly bolt on affair.
Can anyone validate this?
I take it, it's the 1.9 pump that we're interested in?
From my Autodata CD I can see there are 3 pumps fitted to the Croma...

0 460 414 056
0 460 414 059
0 460 414 096

There was a thread a while ago where someone mentioned that a certain digit of the Bosch part number gave you the size of the pump, but I can seem to be able to find the thread, anyone decipher those part numbers and tell me what size element these pumps have, I presume it's 11mm?

Can anyone help with this?

Also, whats the differance between a Bosch VE and a VER pump?



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'90 VW T3 Westfalia Atlantic 1.9TD [AAZ, Hybrid turbo, Water/Air charge cooler, TDI clutch, Limited slip diff]
'99 VW Passat (3B) Variant TDI sport.
'03 VW T4 Special X 2.5TDI Comb0

Reply #1June 17, 2005, 07:05:02 pm

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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2005, 07:05:02 pm »
Also..
These part numbers are from the 2.5TD.
0 460 404 064
0 460 494 317

Now, I take it these have a 10mm and 9mm element respectivley.
Probably not these 2 then I reckon.

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'90 VW T3 Westfalia Atlantic 1.9TD [AAZ, Hybrid turbo, Water/Air charge cooler, TDI clutch, Limited slip diff]
'99 VW Passat (3B) Variant TDI sport.
'03 VW T4 Special X 2.5TDI Comb0

Reply #2June 16, 2019, 03:53:23 pm

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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2019, 03:53:23 pm »
Hello.
News about those pumps?


There was a thread a while ago where someone mentioned that a certain digit of the Bosch part number gave you the size of the pump, but I can seem to be able to find the thread, anyone decipher those part numbers and tell me what size element these pumps have, I presume it's 11mm?

Can anyone help with this?


It's written in m-TDI FAQ. You must look at the sixth number. 1 is for 11mm you were right.
How many pump are there from Croma 1.9 turbo DI?
I found a list but I don't know if it's right.

bosch    VE    0460414056 VE R 286    Fiat Croma 1.9 TDI 66 kw         154 B     
bosch    VE    0460414059 VE R 286/1    Fiat Croma 1.9 TDI 66-69 kw Fiat Croma 2.5 TDI 85 kw       154 B -C 8144.97.2200      
bosch    VE    0460414096 VE R 493    Fiat Croma 1.9 ID 69 kw        154 D 1.000     
bosch    VE    0460414125 VE R 493/1    Fiat Croma 1.9 TDI 69 kw Fiat Tempra 1.9 TD 66 kw       154 D 1000 160 D 1000 

It's strange for me to see the same pump shared on IDI engines, Croma 2.5 TDI and Tempra 1.9 TD.
In another thread there's another pump from Croma, 0460414058.
The next pump must be alla from IDI even if there are 10mm, the sixth number is 0,then there are 9mm too.

bosch    VE    0460404040 VE R 192    Fiat Croma 2.5 TD 74 kw Lancia Thema 2.5 TD 74 kw       8144.91.2200 8144.91.2200      
bosch    VE    0460404059 VE R 318    Fiat Croma 2.5 TD 86 kw Lancia Thema 2.5 TD 85 kw       8144.97 8144.97.2200    
bosch    VE    0460404064 VE R 361    Fiat Croma 2.5 TD 77 kw       8144.97 S
bosch    VE    0460404060 VE R 295/1    Lancia Thema 2.5 TD 74 kw       8144.91.2200     
bosch    VE    0460494317 VE R 476    Fiat Croma 2.5 D Turbo 85 kw Lancia Thema 2.5 D Turbo 85 kw         8144.97 Y 8144.97      
bosch    VE    0460494996 VE R 570    Lancia Thema 2.5 TD 85 kw        8144.97 Y
bosch    VE    0460494173 VE R 214    Fiat Croma 2.5 D 55 kw        8144.67     
bosch    VE    0460494317 VE R 476    Fiat Croma 2.5 D Turbo 85 kw Lancia Thema 2.5 D Turbo 85 kw         8144.97 Y 8144.97
They are from a vendor's catalogue.

Reply #3June 18, 2019, 02:27:22 pm

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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2019, 02:27:22 pm »
Hello.
The pump 0 460 414 058 isn't from Croma according me.
That's the 0 460 414 056 parts list:
REPLACING PARTS:
ORDER NUMBER    DESIGNATION    CODE    POSITION    QUANTITY
1 460 283 311    SHAFT SEALING RING    1460283311    3    1
1 467 030 308    SUPPLY PUMP    1467030308    7    1
1 460 134 317    SUPPORT RING    1460134317    9    1
1 463 429 300    TORX FLAT-HEAD SCREW    1463429300    10    2
1 466 100 401    DRIVE SHAFT    1466100401    12    1
1 460 023 302    WOODRUFF KEY    1460023302    13    1
1 460 056 302    BUFFER    1460056302    15    2
1 466 317 301    TOOTHED GEAR    1466317301    16    1
2 460 102 001    SLIDING DISK    2460102001    17    1
1 460 232 328    ROLLER RING    1460232328    20    1
2 463 100 002    BEARING PIN    2463100002    21    4
2 460 300 005    ROLLER    2460300005    22    4
2 460 120 013    FRICTION WASHER    2460120013    23    4
1 463 103 315    ADJUSTING PIN    1463103315    24    1
1 463 120 359    RETAINING PIN    1463120359    25    1
1 461 310 300    RETAINING BRACKET    1461310300    26    1
1 460 140 334    CROSS DISK    1460140334    27    1
1 466 110 356    CAM PLATE    1466110356    29    1
2 460 223 001    SEAL RING    2460223001    30    1
1 463 104 470    TIMING-DEVICE PISTON    1463104470    31    1
1 463 218 312    SLIDING PIECE    1463218312    32    1
1 460 100 314    SHIM RING,   1,00 MM    1460100314    33    1
1 464 619 632    COMPRESSION SPRING,   43,00 MM    1464619632    34    1
2 464 619 001    COMPRESSION SPRING,   44,00 MM    2464619001    34    1
1 460 100 312    SHIM RING,   0,50 MM    1460100312    35    1
2 460 223 001    SEAL RING    2460223001    36    1
1 465 530 734    CLOSING COVER    1465530734    37    1
1 463 414 344    TORX FILLISTER SCREW    1463414344    38    2
1 461 074 312    COVER PLATE    1461074312    39    1
1 463 414 344    TORX FILLISTER SCREW    1463414344    40    2
1 468 334 599    HYDRAULIC HEAD    1468334599    50    1
1 900 210 154    O-RING    1900210154    51    1
   SELECTION GROUP SHIM       52    1
1 460 105 305    GASKET    1460105305    54    4
   FITTING       58    4
1 463 414 312    TORX FILLISTER SCREW    1463414312    60    4
1 460 210 008    O-RING    1460210008    66    1
1 467 134 190    MANIFOLD-PRESSURE COMP.    1467134190    67    1
1 463 163 173    PART LOAD GOVERNOR    1463163173    68    1
1 200 101 640    SHIM    1200101640    69    1
1 461 901 466    CONTROL LEVER    1461901466    72    1
1 463 315 310    FLANGE NUT    1463315310    75    1
   ADJUSTING SCREW       88    1
1 461 015 300    GASKET    1461015300    92    1
1 461 904 540    FULCRUM LEVER    1461904540    95    1
2 916 012 017    PLAIN WASHER,   DIN 433 - 10,5-160 HV    2916012017    103    1
1 463 452 313    SLOTTED SHOULDER SCREW    1463452313    104    2
1 460 105 307    GASKET    1460105307    105    2
1 464 613 611    COMPRESSION SPRING    1464613611    106    2
1 463 300 304    HEXAGON NUT    1463300304    107    1
1 460 210 324    O-RING    1460210324    109    1
1 461 030 343    SHIM PLATE,   0,95 MM    1461030343    110    1
   SELECTION GROUP SUPPORTING DISK       111    1
1 466 317 319    FLYWEIGHT ASSEMBLY    1466317319    112    1
1 460 100 370    SHIM RING    1460100370    114    1
1 460 422 304    SLIDING SLEEVE    1460422304    115    1
1 461 290 301    LOCKING PLATE    1461290301    116    1
1 463 203 907    SELECTION GROUP PLUG    1463203907    117    1
2 910 142 207    HEX-SOCKET-HEAD CAP SCREW,   ISO 4762 - M6x35-8.8    2910142207    123    4
1 460 210 316    O-RING    1460210316    129    1
1 463 461 306    SCREW PLUG    1463461306    130    1
1 460 105 306    FLAT SEAL RING    1460105306    131    1
1 463 453 306    BLEEDER SCREW    1463453306    132    1
1 460 210 325    O-RING    1460210325    133    1
1 460 210 007    O-RING    1460210007    134    3
1 460 362 429    CONTROL VALVE    1460362429    135    1
1 463 456 344    HOLLOW BOLT    1463456344    136    1
1 480 508 037    PROTECTIVE CAP    1480508037    141    1
1 410 407 004    PROTECTION SLEEVE    1410407004    142    1
2 464 633 002    COMPRESSION SPRING    2464633002    200    1
1 900 508 202    PROTECTIVE CAP    1900508202    209    1
1 464 651 452    COILED SPRING    1464651452    220    1
0 330 001 040    PUSHING ELECTROMAGNET    0330001040    240    1
2 916 699 132    SPRING LOCK WASHER,   DIN 128 - A6-FSt    2916699132    275    2
2 910 142 195    HEX-SOCKET-HEAD CAP SCREW,   ISO 4762 - M6x14-8.8    2910142195    276    2
1 460 210 300    SEAL RING    1460210300    277    1
1 461 900 514    CONTROL LEVER    1461900514    289    1
1 463 433 310    WASHER-AND-SCREW ASSEMBLY    1463433310    292    1
1 460 522 328    SPRING SEAT    1460522328    325    1
1 460 522 304    SPRING SEAT    1460522304    329    1
1 463 386 301    VENT FITTING    1463386301    336    1
1 460 558 303    PROTECTIVE CAP    1460558303    339    1
2 911 222 700    HOLLOW BOLT    2911222700    354    3
1 460 105 313    FLAT SEAL RING    1460105313    355    6
1 460 793 373    CONNECTING PIPE    1460793373    366    1
1 460 793 375    CONNECTING PIPE    1460793375    367    1
1 467 414 426    PRESSURE MODULATION VALVE    1467414426    381    1
1 465 130 897    ASSEMBLY OF SERVICE PARTS PUMP HOUSING    1465130897    800    1
1 467 010 054    PARTS SET FLYWEIGHT    1467010054    805    1
1 463 590 901    ASSEMBLY OF SERVICE PARTS GOVERNOR SHAFT Explanations    1463590901    813    1

0 460 414 059
REPLACING PARTS:
ORDER NUMBER    DESIGNATION    CODE    POSITION    QUANTITY
2 460 283 001    SHAFT SEALING RING    2460283001    3    1
1 467 030 308    SUPPLY PUMP    1467030308    7    1
1 460 134 317    SUPPORT RING    1460134317    9    1
1 463 429 300    TORX FLAT-HEAD SCREW    1463429300    10    2
1 466 100 405    DRIVE SHAFT    1466100405    12    1
1 460 023 302    WOODRUFF KEY    1460023302    13    1
1 460 056 302    BUFFER    1460056302    15    2
1 466 317 301    TOOTHED GEAR    1466317301    16    1
2 460 102 001    SLIDING DISK    2460102001    17    1
1 460 232 328    ROLLER RING    1460232328    20    1
2 463 100 002    BEARING PIN    2463100002    21    4
2 460 300 005    ROLLER    2460300005    22    4
2 460 120 013    FRICTION WASHER    2460120013    23    4
1 463 103 315    ADJUSTING PIN    1463103315    24    1
1 463 120 359    RETAINING PIN    1463120359    25    1
1 461 310 300    RETAINING BRACKET    1461310300    26    1
1 460 140 334    CROSS DISK    1460140334    27    1
1 466 110 638    CAM PLATE    1466110638    29    1
2 460 223 001    SEAL RING    2460223001    30    1
2 463 104 039    TIMING-DEVICE PISTON    2463104039    31    1
1 463 218 312    SLIDING PIECE    1463218312    32    1
1 460 100 902    SELECTION GROUP SHIM RING    1460100902    33    2
1 464 619 632    COMPRESSION SPRING,   43,00 MM    1464619632    34    1
2 464 619 001    COMPRESSION SPRING,   44,00 MM    2464619001    34    1
1 460 100 902    SELECTION GROUP SHIM RING    1460100902    35    1
2 460 223 001    SEAL RING    2460223001    36    1
1 465 530 301    CLOSING COVER    1465530301    37    1
1 463 414 344    TORX FILLISTER SCREW    1463414344    38    2
1 461 074 312    COVER PLATE    1461074312    39    1
1 463 414 344    TORX FILLISTER SCREW    1463414344    40    2
1 468 334 599    HYDRAULIC HEAD    1468334599    50    1
2 460 210 012    O-RING    2460210012    51    1
   SELECTION GROUP SHIM       52    1
1 460 105 305    GASKET    1460105305    54    4
   FITTING       58    4
1 463 414 312    TORX FILLISTER SCREW    1463414312    60    4
1 460 210 008    O-RING    1460210008    66    1
1 467 134 190    MANIFOLD-PRESSURE COMP.    1467134190    67    1
1 463 163 173    PART LOAD GOVERNOR    1463163173    68    1
1 200 101 640    SHIM    1200101640    69    1
1 461 901 466    CONTROL LEVER    1461901466    72    1
1 463 315 310    FLANGE NUT    1463315310    75    1
   ADJUSTING SCREW       88    1
1 461 015 302    GASKET    1461015302    92    1
1 461 907 143    FULCRUM LEVER    1461907143    95    1
2 916 012 017    PLAIN WASHER,   DIN 433 - 10,5-160 HV    2916012017    103    1
1 463 452 313    SLOTTED SHOULDER SCREW    1463452313    104    2
1 460 105 307    GASKET    1460105307    105    2
1 464 613 611    COMPRESSION SPRING    1464613611    106    2
1 463 300 304    HEXAGON NUT    1463300304    107    1
1 460 210 313    O-RING    1460210313    109    1
1 461 030 343    SHIM PLATE,   0,95 MM    1461030343    110    1
   SELECTION GROUP SUPPORTING DISK       111    1
1 466 317 319    FLYWEIGHT ASSEMBLY    1466317319    112    1
1 460 100 370    SHIM RING    1460100370    114    1
1 460 422 304    SLIDING SLEEVE    1460422304    115    1
1 461 290 301    LOCKING PLATE    1461290301    116    1
1 463 203 907    SELECTION GROUP PLUG    1463203907    117    1
2 910 142 207    HEX-SOCKET-HEAD CAP SCREW,   ISO 4762 - M6x35-8.8    2910142207    123    4
1 460 210 349    O-RING    1460210349    129    1
1 463 461 306    SCREW PLUG    1463461306    130    1
1 460 105 306    FLAT SEAL RING    1460105306    131    1
1 463 453 306    BLEEDER SCREW    1463453306    132    1
1 460 225 081    O-RING    1460225081    133    1
1 460 225 082    O-RING    1460225082    134    3
1 460 362 429    CONTROL VALVE    1460362429    135    1
1 463 456 344    HOLLOW BOLT    1463456344    136    1
1 460 591 315    PROTECTIVE CAP    1460591315    140    1
2 410 508 006    PROTECTIVE CAP    2410508006    141    1
1 410 407 004    PROTECTION SLEEVE    1410407004    142    1
2 464 633 002    COMPRESSION SPRING    2464633002    200    1
1 461 314 305    DISTANCE PIECE    1461314305    202    1
1 900 508 202    PROTECTIVE CAP    1900508202    209    1
1 464 651 452    COILED SPRING    1464651452    220    1
0 330 001 040    PUSHING ELECTROMAGNET    0330001040    240    1
2 916 699 132    SPRING LOCK WASHER,   DIN 128 - A6-FSt    2916699132    275    1
2 910 142 195    HEX-SOCKET-HEAD CAP SCREW,   ISO 4762 - M6x14-8.8    2910142195    276    2
2 460 223 001    SEAL RING    2460223001    277    1
1 461 900 514    CONTROL LEVER    1461900514    289    1
1 463 433 310    WASHER-AND-SCREW ASSEMBLY    1463433310    292    1
1 460 522 328    SPRING SEAT    1460522328    325    1
1 460 522 304    SPRING SEAT    1460522304    329    1
1 463 386 301    VENT FITTING    1463386301    336    1
1 460 558 303    PROTECTIVE CAP    1460558303    339    1
2 911 222 700    HOLLOW BOLT    2911222700    354    3
1 460 105 313    FLAT SEAL RING    1460105313    355    6
1 460 793 373    CONNECTING PIPE    1460793373    366    1
1 460 793 374    CONNECTING PIPE    1460793374    367    1
1 467 414 426    PRESSURE MODULATION VALVE    1467414426    381    1
1 465 130 706    ASSEMBLY OF SERVICE PARTS PUMP HOUSING    1465130706    800    1
1 467 010 054    PARTS SET FLYWEIGHT    1467010054    805    1
1 463 590 901    ASSEMBLY OF SERVICE PARTS GOVERNOR SHAFT    1463590901    813    1


There is a potentiometer on the next two pumps so they'are from cars with an EGR.
0 460 4141 096
REPLACING PARTS:
ORDER NUMBER    DESIGNATION    CODE    POSITION    QUANTITY
2 460 283 001    SHAFT SEALING RING    2460283001    3    1
1 467 030 308    SUPPLY PUMP    1467030308    7    1
1 460 134 317    SUPPORT RING    1460134317    9    1
1 463 429 300    TORX FLAT-HEAD SCREW    1463429300    10    2
1 466 100 405    DRIVE SHAFT    1466100405    12    1
1 460 023 302    WOODRUFF KEY    1460023302    13    1
1 460 056 302    BUFFER    1460056302    15    2
1 466 317 301    TOOTHED GEAR    1466317301    16    1
2 460 102 001    SLIDING DISK    2460102001    17    1
1 460 232 328    ROLLER RING    1460232328    20    1
2 463 100 002    BEARING PIN    2463100002    21    4
2 460 300 005    ROLLER    2460300005    22    4
2 460 120 013    FRICTION WASHER    2460120013    23    4
1 463 103 315    ADJUSTING PIN    1463103315    24    1
1 463 120 359    RETAINING PIN    1463120359    25    1
1 461 310 300    RETAINING BRACKET    1461310300    26    1
1 460 140 334    CROSS DISK    1460140334    27    1
1 466 110 619    CAM PLATE    1466110619    29    1
2 460 223 001    SEAL RING    2460223001    30    1
1 463 104 700    TIMING-DEVICE PISTON    1463104700    31    1
1 463 218 312    SLIDING PIECE    1463218312    32    1
1 460 100 902    SELECTION GROUP SHIM RING    1460100902    33    2
1 464 619 930    COMPRESSION SPRING    1464619930    34    1
1 464 619 767    COMPRESSION SPRING    1464619767    34    1
1 464 619 632    COMPRESSION SPRING,   43,00 MM    1464619632    34    1
1 460 100 902    SELECTION GROUP SHIM RING    1460100902    35    1
2 460 223 001    SEAL RING    2460223001    36    1
1 465 530 301    CLOSING COVER    1465530301    37    1
1 463 414 344    TORX FILLISTER SCREW    1463414344    38    2
1 461 074 312    COVER PLATE    1461074312    39    1
1 463 414 344    TORX FILLISTER SCREW    1463414344    40    2
1 468 334 812    HYDRAULIC HEAD    1468334812    50    1
2 460 210 012    O-RING    2460210012    51    1
   SELECTION GROUP SHIM       52    1
1 460 105 305    GASKET    1460105305    54    4
1 463 370 613    CONSTANT-PRESSURE VALVE    1463370613    58    4
1 463 414 312    TORX FILLISTER SCREW    1463414312    60    2
1 460 210 008    O-RING    1460210008    66    1
1 467 134 385    MANIFOLD-PRESSURE COMP.    1467134385    67    1
1 463 163 167    PART LOAD GOVERNOR    1463163167    68    1
1 200 101 640    SHIM    1200101640    69    1
1 461 901 604    CONTROL LEVER    1461901604    72    1
1 463 315 310    FLANGE NUT    1463315310    75    1
   ADJUSTING SCREW       88    1
1 461 015 302    GASKET    1461015302    92    1
1 461 907 150    FULCRUM LEVER    1461907150    95    1
2 916 012 017    PLAIN WASHER,   DIN 433 - 10,5-160 HV    2916012017    103    1
1 463 452 313    SLOTTED SHOULDER SCREW    1463452313    104    2
1 460 105 307    GASKET    1460105307    105    2
1 464 613 611    COMPRESSION SPRING    1464613611    106    2
1 463 300 304    HEXAGON NUT    1463300304    107    1
1 460 210 313    O-RING    1460210313    109    1
1 461 030 343    SHIM PLATE,   0,95 MM    1461030343    110    1
   SELECTION GROUP SUPPORTING DISK       111    1
1 466 317 319    FLYWEIGHT ASSEMBLY    1466317319    112    1
1 460 100 370    SHIM RING    1460100370    114    1
1 460 422 363    SLIDING SLEEVE    1460422363    115    1
1 460 508 309    SEALING CAP    1460508309    116    1
1 463 203 907    SELECTION GROUP PLUG    1463203907    117    1
2 910 142 207    HEX-SOCKET-HEAD CAP SCREW,   ISO 4762 - M6x35-8.8    2910142207    123    4
1 460 210 349    O-RING    1460210349    129    1
1 463 461 306    SCREW PLUG    1463461306    130    1
1 460 105 306    FLAT SEAL RING    1460105306    131    1
1 463 453 306    BLEEDER SCREW    1463453306    132    1
1 460 225 081    O-RING    1460225081    133    1
1 460 225 082    O-RING    1460225082    134    3
1 460 362 429    CONTROL VALVE    1460362429    135    1
1 463 456 344    HOLLOW BOLT    1463456344    136    1
1 460 591 315    PROTECTIVE CAP    1460591315    140    1
2 410 508 006    PROTECTIVE CAP    2410508006    141    1
1 410 407 004    PROTECTION SLEEVE    1410407004    142    1
1 460 101 376    GASKET    1460101376    189    1
2 464 633 002    COMPRESSION SPRING    2464633002    200    1
1 461 314 305    DISTANCE PIECE    1461314305    202    1
1 900 508 202    PROTECTIVE CAP    1900508202    209    1
1 464 651 452    COILED SPRING    1464651452    220    1
1 461 021 485    SUPPORT PLATE    1461021485    235    1
1 463 414 305    TORX FILLISTER SCREW    1463414305    237    2
0 330 001 041    PUSHING ELECTROMAGNET    0330001041    240    1
2 910 142 203    HEX-SOCKET-HEAD CAP SCREW,   ISO 4762 - M6x25-8.8    2910142203    254    2
2 916 699 132    SPRING LOCK WASHER,   DIN 128 - A6-FSt    2916699132    275    1
2 910 142 195    HEX-SOCKET-HEAD CAP SCREW,   ISO 4762 - M6x14-8.8    2910142195    276    2
2 460 223 001    SEAL RING    2460223001    277    1
1 461 900 538    CONTROL LEVER    1461900538    289    1
1 463 433 310    WASHER-AND-SCREW ASSEMBLY    1463433310    292    1
1 460 522 328    SPRING SEAT    1460522328    325    1
1 460 522 304    SPRING SEAT    1460522304    329    1
1 463 386 301    VENT FITTING    1463386301    336    1
1 460 558 303    PROTECTIVE CAP    1460558303    339    1
2 911 222 700    HOLLOW BOLT    2911222700    354    3
1 460 105 313    FLAT SEAL RING    1460105313    355    6
1 460 793 373    CONNECTING PIPE    1460793373    366    1
1 460 793 374    CONNECTING PIPE    1460793374    367    1
1 467 414 426    PRESSURE MODULATION VALVE    1467414426    381    1
1 464 736 300    CLAMPING BAND    1464736300    400    1
1 461 016 322    STOP PLATE    1461016322    403    1
2 912 732 152    CHEESE HEAD SCREW    2912732152    406    1
2 916 699 131    SPRING LOCK WASHER,   DIN 128 - A5-FSt    2916699131    407    1
1 460 326 387    DRIVER    1460326387    408    1
1 461 098 346    FASTENING PLATE    1461098346    409    1
1 463 300 319    HEXAGON NUT    1463300319    410    1
1 467 217 367    POTENTIOMETER    1467217367    442    1
1 461 098 344    FASTENING PLATE    1461098344    443    1
1 463 433 320    WASHER-AND-SCREW ASSEMBLY    1463433320    444    2
1 460 505 308    CLOSURE CAP    1460505308    471    1
2 912 702 197    CHEESE HEAD SCREW    2912702197    472    2
1 464 610 988    COMPRESSION SPRING    1464610988    477    1
1 460 421 302    GUIDE SLEEVE    1460421302    478    1
2 916 089 956    LOCKING WASHER,   DIN 6799 - 3,2-FSt    2916089956    519    1
1 463 022 310    GUIDE ROD    1463022310    520    1
1 465 130 706    ASSEMBLY OF SERVICE PARTS PUMP HOUSING    1465130706    800    1
1 467 010 054    PARTS SET FLYWEIGHT    1467010054    805    1
1 460 591 313    SEALING CAP,   RED    1460591313    808    1
2 420 580 005    SEALING CAP,   RED    2420580005    809    1
1 463 590 901    ASSEMBLY OF SERVICE PARTS GOVERNOR SHAFT    1463590901    813    1

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Reply #4June 18, 2019, 02:45:54 pm

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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2019, 02:45:54 pm »
0 460 414 125
REPLACING PARTS:
ORDER NUMBER    DESIGNATION    CODE    POSITION    QUANTITY
2 460 283 001    SHAFT SEALING RING    2460283001    3    1
1 467 030 308    SUPPLY PUMP    1467030308    7    1
1 460 134 317    SUPPORT RING    1460134317    9    1
1 463 429 300    TORX FLAT-HEAD SCREW    1463429300    10    2
1 466 100 405    DRIVE SHAFT    1466100405    12    1
1 460 023 302    WOODRUFF KEY    1460023302    13    1
1 460 056 302    BUFFER    1460056302    15    2
1 466 317 301    TOOTHED GEAR    1466317301    16    1
2 460 102 001    SLIDING DISK    2460102001    17    1
1 460 232 328    ROLLER RING    1460232328    20    1
2 463 100 002    BEARING PIN    2463100002    21    4
2 460 300 005    ROLLER    2460300005    22    4
2 460 120 013    FRICTION WASHER    2460120013    23    4
1 463 103 315    ADJUSTING PIN    1463103315    24    1
1 463 120 359    RETAINING PIN    1463120359    25    1
1 461 310 300    RETAINING BRACKET    1461310300    26    1
1 460 140 334    CROSS DISK    1460140334    27    1
1 466 110 619    CAM PLATE    1466110619    29    1
2 460 223 001    SEAL RING    2460223001    30    1
1 463 104 700    TIMING-DEVICE PISTON    1463104700    31    1
1 463 218 312    SLIDING PIECE    1463218312    32    1
1 460 100 902    SELECTION GROUP SHIM RING    1460100902    33    2
1 464 619 930    COMPRESSION SPRING    1464619930    34    1
1 464 619 767    COMPRESSION SPRING    1464619767    34    1
1 464 619 632    COMPRESSION SPRING,   43,00 MM    1464619632    34    1
1 460 100 902    SELECTION GROUP SHIM RING    1460100902    35    1
2 460 223 001    SEAL RING    2460223001    36    1
1 465 530 301    CLOSING COVER    1465530301    37    1
1 463 414 344    TORX FILLISTER SCREW    1463414344    38    2
1 461 074 312    COVER PLATE    1461074312    39    1
1 463 414 344    TORX FILLISTER SCREW    1463414344    40    2
1 468 334 812    HYDRAULIC HEAD    1468334812    50    1
2 460 210 012    O-RING    2460210012    51    1
   SELECTION GROUP SHIM       52    1
1 460 105 305    GASKET    1460105305    54    4
1 463 370 613    CONSTANT-PRESSURE VALVE    1463370613    58    4
1 463 414 312    TORX FILLISTER SCREW    1463414312    60    2
1 460 210 008    O-RING    1460210008    66    1
1 467 134 385    MANIFOLD-PRESSURE COMP.    1467134385    67    1
1 463 163 167    PART LOAD GOVERNOR    1463163167    68    1
1 200 101 640    SHIM    1200101640    69    1
1 461 901 604    CONTROL LEVER    1461901604    72    1
1 463 315 310    FLANGE NUT    1463315310    75    1
   ADJUSTING SCREW       88    1
1 461 015 302    GASKET    1461015302    92    1
1 461 907 150    FULCRUM LEVER    1461907150    95    1
2 916 012 017    PLAIN WASHER,   DIN 433 - 10,5-160 HV    2916012017    103    1
1 463 452 313    SLOTTED SHOULDER SCREW    1463452313    104    2
1 460 105 307    GASKET    1460105307    105    2
1 464 613 611    COMPRESSION SPRING    1464613611    106    2
1 463 300 304    HEXAGON NUT    1463300304    107    1
1 460 210 313    O-RING    1460210313    109    1
   SELECTION GROUP SHIM PLATE       110    1
1 461 030 343    SHIM PLATE,   0,95 MM    1461030343    110    1
   SELECTION GROUP SUPPORTING DISK       111    1
1 466 317 319    FLYWEIGHT ASSEMBLY    1466317319    112    1
1 460 100 370    SHIM RING    1460100370    114    1
1 460 422 363    SLIDING SLEEVE    1460422363    115    1
1 460 508 309    SEALING CAP    1460508309    116    1
1 463 203 907    SELECTION GROUP PLUG    1463203907    117    1
2 910 142 207    HEX-SOCKET-HEAD CAP SCREW,   ISO 4762 - M6x35-8.8    2910142207    123    4
1 460 210 349    O-RING    1460210349    129    1
1 463 461 306    SCREW PLUG    1463461306    130    1
1 460 105 306    FLAT SEAL RING    1460105306    131    1
1 463 453 306    BLEEDER SCREW    1463453306    132    1
1 460 225 081    O-RING    1460225081    133    1
1 460 225 082    O-RING    1460225082    134    3
1 460 362 429    CONTROL VALVE    1460362429    135    1
1 463 456 344    HOLLOW BOLT    1463456344    136    1
1 460 591 315    PROTECTIVE CAP    1460591315    140    1
2 410 508 006    PROTECTIVE CAP    2410508006    141    1
1 410 407 004    PROTECTION SLEEVE    1410407004    142    1
0 281 005 046    SOLENOID-VALVE CONTROL UN    0281005046    184    1
1 460 101 376    GASKET    1460101376    189    1
2 464 633 002    COMPRESSION SPRING    2464633002    200    1
1 461 314 305    DISTANCE PIECE    1461314305    202    1
1 900 508 202    PROTECTIVE CAP    1900508202    209    1
1 464 651 452    COILED SPRING    1464651452    220    1
1 461 021 485    SUPPORT PLATE    1461021485    235    1
1 463 414 305    TORX FILLISTER SCREW    1463414305    237    2
2 910 142 203    HEX-SOCKET-HEAD CAP SCREW,   ISO 4762 - M6x25-8.8    2910142203    254    2
2 916 699 132    SPRING LOCK WASHER,   DIN 128 - A6-FSt    2916699132    275    1
2 910 142 195    HEX-SOCKET-HEAD CAP SCREW,   ISO 4762 - M6x14-8.8    2910142195    276    2
2 460 223 001    SEAL RING    2460223001    277    1
1 461 900 538    CONTROL LEVER    1461900538    289    1
1 463 433 310    WASHER-AND-SCREW ASSEMBLY    1463433310    292    1
1 460 522 328    SPRING SEAT    1460522328    325    1
1 460 522 304    SPRING SEAT    1460522304    329    1
1 463 386 301    VENT FITTING    1463386301    336    1
1 460 558 303    PROTECTIVE CAP    1460558303    339    1
2 911 222 700    HOLLOW BOLT    2911222700    354    3
1 460 105 313    FLAT SEAL RING    1460105313    355    6
1 460 793 373    CONNECTING PIPE    1460793373    366    1
1 460 793 374    CONNECTING PIPE    1460793374    367    1
1 467 414 426    PRESSURE MODULATION VALVE    1467414426    381    1
1 464 736 300    CLAMPING BAND    1464736300    400    1
2 912 732 152    CHEESE HEAD SCREW    2912732152    406    1
2 916 699 131    SPRING LOCK WASHER,   DIN 128 - A5-FSt    2916699131    407    1
1 460 326 387    DRIVER    1460326387    408    1
1 461 098 346    FASTENING PLATE    1461098346    409    1
1 463 300 319    HEXAGON NUT    1463300319    410    1
1 467 217 367    POTENTIOMETER    1467217367    442    1
1 461 098 344    FASTENING PLATE    1461098344    443    1
1 463 433 320    WASHER-AND-SCREW ASSEMBLY    1463433320    444    2
1 460 505 308    CLOSURE CAP    1460505308    471    1
2 912 702 197    CHEESE HEAD SCREW    2912702197    472    2
1 464 610 988    COMPRESSION SPRING    1464610988    477    1
1 460 421 302    GUIDE SLEEVE    1460421302    478    1
2 916 089 956    LOCKING WASHER,   DIN 6799 - 3,2-FSt    2916089956    519    1
1 463 022 310    GUIDE ROD    1463022310    520    1
1 465 130 706    ASSEMBLY OF SERVICE PARTS PUMP HOUSING    1465130706    800    1
1 467 010 054    PARTS SET FLYWEIGHT    1467010054    805    1
1 460 591 313    SEALING CAP,   RED    1460591313    808    1
2 420 580 005    SEALING CAP,   RED    2420580005    809    1
1 463 590 901    ASSEMBLY OF SERVICE PARTS GOVERNOR SHAFT    1463590901    813    1
1 467 010 552    PARTS SET THEFT PROTECTION    1467010552    825    1

The number after VE F is 2100 so they are for a 4200 rpms engine.
What is the best Croma DI pump?

0460414056    VE4/11F2100R286
0460414059    VE4/11F2100R286-1
0460414096    VE4/11F2100R493
0460414125    VE4/11F2100R493-1
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Reply #5July 18, 2019, 11:40:25 am

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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2019, 11:40:25 am »
Hello.
I'm trying to collect as more infos as possible. I don't know if there are news or other infos in other threads.

Okay, I've had a mechanical pump built, and it works but to be honest theres parts from 4 different pumps in there, to build another will be a nightmare to source all the parts required.
I have a few reports back that the Fiat Chroma pump is almost right and is a fairly bolt on affair.

I think to have found the hybrid pump you talked about.

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Anyway, Im running a VW T3 with a 1Z with mechanical injection...
This hybrid pump of mine consist of..
Ford escort 1.8d injection pump body.
20mm drive shaft.
TDI cam plate.
Perkins Prima Head and rotor (11mm)
Transporter 1.6td governor body and LDA.
pump timing set to .9mm lift at TDC
.205 injectors (110hp)

T3 LDA is different from others so if you use it you'll get a hybrid pump.
By using a Croma pump you must not to purchase a pump like the Ford one and the Prima one,you already have got a 20mm shaft and part from a DI pump with a 11mm head and rotor.
A Prima pump and a Croma pump share the same camplate.
The problem is to know how to make the pump works fine. I don't know it.
There are anorther example of T3 running on Croma pump and the owner isn't sotisfied.

A buddy with a tdi ( mecanical pump Fiat Croma) in his Vanagon is
not impressed with the results.
...
0 460 414 059
VE R 286-1
011 170 831881

This is a good pump, 20mm shaft, 11mm plunger, proper boost pin...

There are some pices of advice.

This pump, ............ 414 059, is installed on FIAT croma 1.9 TD i.d. 1988 to 1992, and on the croma 2.5TD 1989 and 1990,   and some croma 2.0 TD i.d.

With larger injector nozzle, this pump works well, the cam plate is not the best for the engine VW TDI, but rather good, one can located between the cam plate of AAZ and TDI.

If not, you can put the cam plate of VW TDI in your fiat pump, but as regards the control lever, that will be one can limiting, but it will go it much better is a fact.

That would be good to replace the advance timing piston, and the cap, because that of pump FIAT does not offer much displacement.

Unfortunatrely I can't understand everything because the language and no techinal skills.

I'm using a croma pump....out of the box...it will run great until 3K...then it starts shutting down right?

It's the governor.....and rotate the fuel pin or get an aftermarket pin like I did to get more fuel under boost.  The governor is one big spring...I bound a few of the coils with some fine stainless steel wire and now it flies. 

I'm also running ,205's and that seems plenty I can make it smoke like a pig if I want.  I can get to 100mph in no time...turbo will affect performance..alot of people get the t3 from a 1.6td...I'm using a smaller k14 running to 22psi max..intercooled of course

I found four Croma pumps instead of three so I looked at the  ASSEMBLY OF SERVICE PARTS PUMP HOUSING (N.800 on the diagram) and
DRIVE SHAFT(N.12 on the diagram) to be sure that the fourth pump can fit like the others.
Only the first Croma pump has got different pump housins and  drive shaft.
What does it take to make a customized pump?

...
 you will need another control lever, régulator valve, advance timing mechanism, etc...

It is really difficult to mount a mechanical pump with parts of 3-4 different pump, and the adjustment is not also simple for going well.

I'll try to use the same words used on pump diagram.
N.95 FULCRUM LEVER(I think it's the control lever,am I wrong?)
N.68 PART LOAD GOVERNOR(Is it the control lever? I know it takes to find the right spring too but the uploaded infos for finr tuning disappeared)
N.29 CAM PLATE
N.50 HYDRAULIC HEAD(If it needed,for exemple using a pump from ID o for extreme tuning)
For timing we need piston,springs,shims... I think parts from N.31 to N.37

TIMING-DEVICE PISTON        31    
SLIDING PIECE        32    
SHIM RING     33    
 COMPRESSION SPRING,   34    
COMPRESSION SPRING    34    
SHIM RING    35    
CLOSING COVER  37
N.135 CONTROL VALVE
Anything else?
N.813 ASSEMBLY OF SERVICE PARTS GOVERNOR SHAFT Explanations? Or not?
Other parts? N.88 ADJUSTING SCREW? Or not?
Of course the right LDA pin in case of turbo.



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