Is Ceramic coating pistons worth it?

[monomer]

The engine is a 1.6 TD with a 1.9aaz head. I plan on making 250bhp.



Would ceramic coating my brand new set of pistons be worth it? I was looking at http://swaintech.com/store.asp?pid=10970 for the coating. $45/ea for ceramic tops and low friction skirts.

[RabbitJockey]

if i was aiming for that kind of power... i would get the coating... how ever i am shooting for 100 short of that haha.

[jtanguay]

go for it.  i doubt you'll be able to make that kind of power without the coating.  some have reached about 50 or so shy of that which seems to be the peak...  also consider getting a plenum intake & equal length exhaust to balance out the pressure across the head.  otherwise you'll most likely blow some HG's.

[VW_Commuter]

If I was shooting for 250Hp I wouldn't begin with a 1.6TD but with a PD150.  I think you might be asking too much from that 1.6TD since it originally started out at around 70Hp.

[Jet A]

www.thermaltechcoatings.com

They are who i am using...i am shooting for 150hp on nitrous, and water meth

[monomer]

www.thermaltechcoatings.com

They are who i am using...i am shooting for 150hp on nitrous, and water meth

big VNT, FMIC w/co2 cooling.


12mm Giles pump.

[Smokey Eddy]

250 is SOOO much. 200 is more than impressive. If you come close to 250 I know i'll hear about it but good luck man, that would be absolutely nuts. Remember diesels give massive torque too so HP doesn't always mean everything.
A giles pump, k3/k4, good intercooling, maybe LPG injection into the intake, 3 inch downpipe/exhaust or perhaps manifolds from passengerdiesel and i think you could be VERY close. But that's some serious coin if you got it?

[monomer]

250 is SOOO much. 200 is more than impressive. If you come close to 250 I know i'll hear about it but good luck man, that would be absolutely nuts. Remember diesels give massive torque too so HP doesn't always mean everything.
A giles pump, k3/k4, good intercooling, maybe LPG injection into the intake, 3 inch downpipe/exhaust or perhaps manifolds from passengerdiesel and i think you could be VERY close. But that's some serious coin if you got it?

no toys until the engine is built (and paid for)

Build sofar:
-1.6 TD pistons
-Arp Mains, Head studs and connecting rod bolts
-1.9AAZ head
-Giles injectors and pump
-Total seal piston rings (full set, not just top)
-VR6 clutch kit
-Short throw shifter & hard bushings
-1.9 metal gasket with holomar sealant.
I'll be running the stock exhaust N/A until above items are paid off. I'll dyno (on a mustang dyno) before and after. Dyno time will be at Speed Industeries in troy, MI.

[Jet A]

I think you will have a ways to go for 250hp.

I would be looking into orings, and a custom head and block with more studs.

Not a big fan of CO2 cooling myself. water meth has a much larger advantage. especailly if you are brave enough to inject preturbo. your air charge will be so much cooler than c02....just me $.02.  Also, for 250hp your gunna need to run some big nozzles, or possible lpg.  I would be looking at stronger connecting rods and crank.

Regardless, sounds like you are on your way. Check out that place for coating. they are $60 for our pistons set per coatings. get the thermal coating up top and the oil dispersant on the bottom. (120) for the set I am not sure if the skirts are worth it.

I think if your gunna do a set up like that, compound turbos would be SICK!!!!

Another option to your co2 cooling (i am assuming this is through the intercooler) Is to run an expansion bulb for the nitrous in the intercooler just before it is injected to the manifold. this uses the same therory as co2 cooling just with the additional hp.

[jtanguay]

actually if you inject CO2 into a water/air intercooler setup (obviously no water in the system) you could really decrease the temps!

[arb]

The Dodge Cummins guys are getting 1,200 - 1,500 hp out of these 24v engines that were originally down in the 160 hp range. They boost with turbos that are huge and change the injectors and IP. 109 psi of boost is common !!

So, I think you can get it - but I too would use the 1.9L as a base.

"There is no replacement for displacement" or so the race guys say.

http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/dodge/0808dp_2002_dodge_ram_cummins/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Ram

[jimfoo]

Cummins don't use aluminum heads. IF (big if) you get 250 hp, your motor won't be reliable at all IMHO.

[Jet A]

The Dodge Cummins guys are getting 1,200 - 1,500 hp out of these 24v engines that were originally down in the 160 hp range. They boost with turbos that are huge and change the injectors and IP. 109 psi of boost is common !!

So, I think you can get it - but I too would use the 1.9L as a base.

"There is no replacement for displacement" or so the race guys say.

http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/dodge/0808dp_2002_dodge_ram_cummins/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Ram

the 24v cummins common rail is rated at 355hp 610ftlbs
w/ a chip and an intake your looking at nearly 500hp 800+ftlbs

to push 1000+ hp out of these motors your putting in nearly $8000+ into the motor.

Drop $8000 into your 1.6l and i bet it sings a pretty little number too!!!
 :twisted:

[fastvicar]

Drop $8000 into your 1.6l and i bet it sings a pretty little number too!!!
 :twisted:

Let's be reasonable.  Those are 6 cylinder motors, so figure on only spending around $5,300 or so for our little 4-potters.  :wink:

[monomer]

I'm an overachiever, what can I say?


Block will get o-ringed. I still have to talk with my machine shop (American Machine, Fraser MI) to see whats do able.


The franken motor was pieced togeather with a bunch of spare parts - and he was making 200hp.

The turbo will be off of a stock cummins 5.9. VNT, could see upwards of 32psi.