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Reply #15June 25, 2008, 08:17:59 pm

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« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2008, 08:17:59 pm »
Seems like there has been a few dropped precups in these aaz heads. Dave and you, both out of new heads.  Jimfoo lost one I think.  Is it the same one on all heads?  Why do you think the merc nozzles are causing the damage?  Putting out to much fuel?  If that is the case, how come we are not seeing dropped cups from engines running Giles pumps that are turned up?
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Reply #16June 25, 2008, 09:20:59 pm

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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2008, 09:20:59 pm »
My loose one on the first head was #4. Second head was #3. Then I converted to M-TDI. :twisted:
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Reply #17June 25, 2008, 09:33:59 pm

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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2008, 09:33:59 pm »
Also, the first head was stock VW, second from EC Styling. Heat was probably a big factor in my cases.
Jim
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Reply #18June 25, 2008, 11:03:11 pm

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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2008, 11:03:11 pm »
Quote from: "subsonic"
how come we are not seeing dropped cups from engines running Giles pumps that are turned up?


  Because they don't keep their foot in it long enough, there really aren't too many places where you can, you either need a big heavy vehicle for the IDI to push around, or a LONG and STEEP hill to really overheat the precup.

  Too much fuel has to be defined, LOTS of fuel for 10 seconds does not matter, but even stock fuel levels at WOT for 4 minutes is enough to drop the precup, that happened to my TD at least, 3 of 4 precups were either loose or fell out. My engine was run hard and it has a %75 precup failure rate, I don't think that is a coincidence.

  My $.02

Reply #19June 26, 2008, 05:52:12 am

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« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2008, 05:52:12 am »
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I'll send you a head (overnight if you want) for the cost of shipping. It is complete. I'd like it back once you get home though. Or give me $50. There is a slight chance it is warped but I don't really think so.

I don't think heating the head with a torch is a good idea. You're removing any strength the aluminum had tempered into it and it is likely to warp once brought up to operating temps


  That is an incredibly decent thing to do!
  Not many people would make an offer
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  Kudos to Tyler for being
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Reply #20June 26, 2008, 06:43:21 am

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« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2008, 06:43:21 am »
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 I already haven't figured out how to source new head bolts and tourque wrench, but I'm sure I could.

I would think the dealer should have bolts. 1Z and AHU at least should be the same. Torque wrench at any auto parts store.
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Reply #21June 26, 2008, 06:09:50 pm

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« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2008, 06:09:50 pm »
Everyone is going to break down someday. Just doing what I can
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Reply #22June 26, 2008, 07:36:34 pm

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« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2008, 07:36:34 pm »
Well thanks for all the advice and help, but I decided it was WAY too much for me to fix.  If I had more tools and somebody to tell me what to do I might have done it, but being that I'm not even sure how to re set the timing I've decided to take it as a loss and head back home.  I pulled some of the salvageable parts, and hopefully they'll go into someone's project.

As to why the precup dropped, I'm really not sure.  My brother was sure it was the nozzles, but it could have been just waiting to happen before that.  

Sure was an expensive prechamber.......

Reply #23June 27, 2008, 03:00:21 pm

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« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2008, 03:00:21 pm »
well that's too bad.  :(
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Reply #24June 29, 2008, 04:45:19 am

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« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2008, 04:45:19 am »
What brand of heads is bleachedbora selling?

What is the procedure for removing the prechamber inserts?

Reply #25June 29, 2008, 06:00:11 am

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« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2008, 06:00:11 am »
Procedure for removing them is stick a punch or screwdriver in through the injector hole and tap out with a hammer.
Jim
1966 Land-Rover 88" with 1.9 1Z which has been transformed to an M-TDI
TFO35 mechanically controlled VNT, IC , and 2.5" exhaust.
Driven daily