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June 01, 2004, 10:51:40 am

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IDI fuel economy comparison:


BlackTieTD - 1982 2-door Rabbit, ~1800Ibs no driver/fuel, 1990 1.6l TD (MF) on regular pump diesel
mixed city/highway, wearing my heavy right shoe:
5.87L / 100km      |      40.73 MPG (US)


Dr. Diesel - 1992 4-door Jetta, 2720Ibs, 1.6l TD (MF), modified injecion pump on ze spezial jet fuel
4500 rpm 130km/h highway cruising, with common jaunts past 6000, (CLOSE RATIO TRANS!!) and a very heavy foot in the city:
11.00L / 100km      |      21.73 MPG (US)


TDIMeister - 1997 Passat, 3400+Ibs, 1.9l TDI, modified extensively from stock
Timed at 10.787 on the 1/8 and 17.079 on the 1/4.
Best: 5.00L / 100km       |      56.5MPG (Imp.) or 1420 km range per tank
Average: 5.70L / 100km      |      49.6 MPG (Imp.) or ~1250 km range per tank
Worst: 6.20L / 100km      |      45.6 MPG (Imp.) or ~1150 km range per tank, and that was BEATING ON MY CAR!


fspGTD - 1981 4-door Rabbit GTD Autocrosser, ~1800Ibs, 1.6l GTD (MF), SCCA FSP Class
On cross country road trips:
4.71L / 100km      |      50.00+ MPG (US)




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i have a 1982 2-door Rabbit with a 1990 1.6l TD engine, MF code.

i'd like to compare my fuel economy numbers with others with a similar setup.

i estimate a total vehicle weight without fuel/driver at about 1800Ibs.

the fuel tank, i'm not even sure exactly how big it is, but it will take about 44 litres of fuel if its bone dry. 45L tank?

when i first did the engine swap, i got a consistant 630km per tank, and i mean, i'd roll into the gas station on fumes at 630km bang on 3 or 4 times in a row before there would be any fluctuation.

that was low, and that was with a noticable shimmy, especially at 60-70km and 120+km. i changed the rear tires and the shimmy is gone now...

the fuel economy has definitely improved, but i havent run a full tank to bone dry yet... but with the way things are going i will be at minimum 700km per tank. that bad rear rim really effected the economy!!  :shock:

right now i'm at 690km and i still have all of the orange 'empty' area left on the fuel gauge. projected fuel economy is about 740-750km/tank.

44L / 750km = 0.05867L / km

so about 5.867L / 100km

to fill from empty, i paid an average of $29 when diesel was 67c/L and now about $32 since its refused to fall from 72c/L.

that works out to:

at 67c/L:  3.867cents / km
at 72c/L:  4.267cents / km

or about $8.50 to drive to toronto and back (200km).
it used to cost me $16 for that trip when i was going to school there and was driving a chevy 4-cylinder, in good tune.. and that was when gas was in the 60s (its rarely below 85cents/L now).

for comparison, my friend's '97 civic is about 9 cents/km and that is known to be a fairly economical car. $18 for the toronto trip at today's pump prices.

how do my numbers compare to yours?

i still have to change wheel bearings, squeeky passenger front brake, shaky passenger balljoint, and get an alignment.

..and i haven't been able to shake the lead foot syndrome yet!



Reply #1June 01, 2004, 11:17:10 am

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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2004, 11:17:10 am »
2720 lb A2 jetta, lotsa 4500 rpm 130km/h highway cruising, with common jaunts past 6000, (BLAST THIS CLOSE RATIO TRANS!!) and a very heavy foot in the city= 500k/tank
I repair, maintain and modify VW's and BMW's.
Good work done at affordable rates. Welding and fabricating, too.
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Reply #2June 01, 2004, 11:40:42 am

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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2004, 11:40:42 am »
doc: CHANGE YOUR GEARBOX. i assume 55L tank in your smoke-mobile?

i've added your numbers to the top of my original post...

keep the numbers coming folks!

Reply #3June 01, 2004, 12:10:35 pm

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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2004, 12:10:35 pm »
Very long ratio w/peloquin coming soon to a sooty jetta near me. hehe
I repair, maintain and modify VW's and BMW's.
Good work done at affordable rates. Welding and fabricating, too.
Performance Diesel Injection's Super Pump: gotta have one!

Reply #4June 01, 2004, 02:10:47 pm

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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2004, 02:10:47 pm »
As a point of comparison (just because I like to gloat LOL)  :lol:

1997 VW Passat TDI modified extensively from stock
Weighs easily over 3400# wet and with middle-weight driver (me)
Timed at 10.787 on the 1/8 and 17.079 on the 1/4.

Best: 5.0L/100km (56.5 Imp. MPG) or 1420 km range per tank
Average: 5.7L/100 km (49.6 Imp. MPG) or ~1250 km range per tank
Worst: 6.2L /100km (45.6 Imp. MPG) or ~1150 km range per tank, and that was BEATING ON MY CAR!  8)

All figures are over a whole tankful.

Reply #5June 01, 2004, 02:34:46 pm

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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2004, 02:34:46 pm »
TDIMeister... looks like some good figures but i bet mine is still quickest in the 1/4 :D (dr. diesel you stay out of this)

what size is that tank? 72L?

nice to see that your figures are better than mine with the new technology, but not by much! you of course are hauling around the weight of almost two of my car though  :?

Reply #6June 01, 2004, 02:37:10 pm

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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2004, 02:37:10 pm »
My Rabbit presently gets over 50 mpg on it's cross country road trips!  :)  It's quite a stark contrast to the gas-V8 powered tow-rigs trailering their race cars that I sometimes road trip with (which I don't think manage much over 10mpg!)  It's fun to pay a fraction of what they pay when I need to fuel up, and still only need to fuel up every other time vs them.  ;)  Although I'd love to have a tow rig, driving the car to the cross-country race events sort of goes hand in hand with having a diesel racer!  :)

I'm sure my Rabbit gets a lot less than that during actual autocross driving though.  8)  I rarely fill it up all the way when I expect to race with it, so I don't measure mpg when racing.  I only can measure it when I fill it up all the way, which is when I am road tripping.  :)

I don't drive it around the street in city type driving enough to know what it would get.  But back when it was a daily driver, it got 41-42mpg originally, as a normally aspirated diesel, which got upped to about 44 when it got turbo'ed, and progressively upped to about 48mpg after it got big exhausted, intercooled, and long-ratio transmissioned.

All given measurements are in US Gallons.
Jake Russell
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Reply #7June 01, 2004, 02:41:57 pm

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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2004, 02:41:57 pm »
FYI, keep in mind when making comparisons:
1 liter = .264 US gallons = .220 imperial gallons.
Jake Russell
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Reply #8June 01, 2004, 03:03:43 pm

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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2004, 03:03:43 pm »
good numbers jake.

so if you were to run a complete tank, 45L, completely dry, you'd make it about 955km.

if i were to do the same, i'd make it about 767km.

that gives me a lofty goal to shoot for... i was going to settle for 800 or 850km per tank, but if you can get 950km cross-country, i'll have to shoot for that.

i'll change wheel bearings, front brakes, passenger balljoint, and get an alignment. 2.25" exhaust, intercooler, and just sit and cruise at about 110-120km/h and do you think i can bump the ~760km i'm getting now to ~950km? i think its do-able... i'm usually pretty heavy on the throttle!

Reply #9June 01, 2004, 04:47:27 pm

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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2004, 04:47:27 pm »
My '81 Rabbit came with the "10 gallon" tank.  I almost never fill it up more than 9.6 gallons at once.  But I like it, because I can run it as low as I want and it never seems to starve when I'm racing.  There is an 11 gallon rated fuel tank for the '84 (maybe '83) Rabbit diesels... sounds like maybe what you've got?

That ultra-low ring and pinion that now is in Mr. Dave's posession was the single modification that made the biggest improvement to my Rabbit's miles per gallon.

I wonder if we tried using tires like the Electric Vehicle guys use, that are really low rolling resistance, what effect that would have?
Jake Russell
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Reply #10June 01, 2004, 06:00:12 pm

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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2004, 06:00:12 pm »
Just last week I got 925 km on a tank when hitting the red mark on the gauge, this on my 91TD JET (somewhat modafied but still efficent). Thats half city/highway driving and crusing on highway at 3250 rpm.I also have a fairly heavy foot ,Its tempting to just leave it rarther than dump gobs of fuel in :? It seems that with the more fuel I dump in there Is just not enough air to make it work EFFICENTLY, without polluting excessively. :!:

Reply #11June 01, 2004, 06:06:28 pm

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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2004, 06:06:28 pm »
My 1984 Jetta Diesel (Normally Asthmatic, 5 speed - 7A transmission) gets about 46mpg in a mix of city and country driving (2 and 4 lane rural highways, a little Interstates highway driving, plus small town driving). On long, cross country trips, it varies depending on which way I'm going (and which way the  winds blow). The best I've gotten from a tank was 54mpg (mostly I95 along the Florida and Georgia coast). The worst was I80 westbound across western Nebraska and Wyoming. I had to run 4th gear then against the 30-40mph headwinds, and I only got about 38mpg.

It's about 2,150 pounds with me and another passenger in it (typical for around town driving, 2,025 pounds with just me, close to 3,000 pounds for the cross country trips with 2 people, luggage, clothing and personal gear for both, plus camping gear, cooking gear and other assorted cargo). Mods are cowl induction fresh air intake, K&N filter, Autotech Tri-Y header, Injection pump adjustments (full load fuel increased, timing advanced until it starts getting loud with the cold start knob pulled [about 1.06mm]), stock  1 5/8" exhaust from the header back with stock resonator and muffler (changing that to 1 3/4" aluminum pipe straight to a Supertrapp), BMW 5.5x13" "alpina" style wheels (although I got the same basic results with 5x13" early Scirocco wheels), rear disc brakes (now aluminum calipers), and cheap, light weight 175/70-SR13 tires.

That's on conventional diesel. I'll have it going on the straight veggie oil conversion this week or next, and we'll see how it does on that.

My previous diesel, a 1980 Rabbit diesel, 1.5L, 4 speed (GC transmission) got about 45mpg in city/country driving, about 42mpg on long trips, and one time I ran a Porsche club drivers school in it at Roebling Road (Savannah, GA) and stomped it all the way down to 36mpg on the track. With the GC 4 speed, highway mileage suffered some because it turned a lot of revs at highway speeds (65-70mph). I ran it on 155R13 tires and 175/70R13 tires on the street and 185/60R13 DOT race compound tires the weekend on the track. It got slightly better mileage on the 155R13's than on the 175/70R13's. It handled much better on the 175/70R13's and stuck as good as any ITC rabbit on the 185/60R13 race tires.

For that track weekend, it also had the racing coilovers, springs and shocks installed from the ITC Rabbit I drove at the time. My co-driver rolled the race car and did some severe body damage to it one week beffore the Porsche Club school, so I put the race car suspension on the diesel and ran the school in that. My main purpose at the school was to learn the track (I'd never raced there before that time) and the diesel did provide some interesting feedback about your driving line. If you slip the thing off line, it scrubs off speed that you don't get back for a long time.

Reply #12June 01, 2004, 10:56:47 pm

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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2004, 10:56:47 pm »
5000 pounds?!

Oh yeah, I forgot about the "lead sled"... :shock:  :wink:
Stan
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Reply #13June 02, 2004, 08:20:17 pm

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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2004, 08:20:17 pm »
Blades - 1992 Golf, 1.6l NA on decent diesel with wannabe-close ratio transmission (3900rpm @ 120km/h)
5.72L / 100km | Do the maths !

Reply #14June 02, 2004, 10:28:19 pm

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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2004, 10:28:19 pm »
Quote from: "Blades"
Blades - 1992 Golf, 1.6l NA on decent diesel with wannabe-close ratio transmission (3900rpm @ 120km/h)
5.72L / 100km | Do the maths !


OK, 5.72l / 100km in mpg = 41.1214308 miles per gallon.

Or, 5.72l / 100km in feet per fluid ounce = 1 696.25902 feet per US fluid ounce.

Or, even 5.72l / 100km in furlongs per teaspoon = 0.428348238 furlongs per US teaspoon

I love that google calculator.

 

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