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April 07, 2008, 11:16:38 pm

kiff

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So I have been chasing down a cold starting problem for awhile now.  When I fire up the car it smokes like crazy, only running on 3 cycl (#2 is not firing) and runs super rough, after about 5-10mins, she smartens up, no smoke at all and runs on all 4.

I have replaced my glow plugs, still can't figure out what the issue might be.



Reply #1April 07, 2008, 11:34:49 pm

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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2008, 11:34:49 pm »
time for compression test? or stickey injector or pump feed?
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Reply #2April 07, 2008, 11:36:16 pm

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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2008, 11:36:16 pm »
my car does the same thing, I have to put a heater under it in the winter to even get it to start at all.

even if everything checks out alright these motors can be a pain when cold.
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Reply #3April 07, 2008, 11:53:29 pm

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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2008, 11:53:29 pm »
Two suggestions... in the order I'd do 'em in t'were it me:


-  swap #2 injector and another one, and see if the trouble follows the injector.  

- check your compression with the engine stone cold, and then once it's warmed up

My personal experience, fwiw,  is that a diesel with good compression, good injectors, good timing, good glowplugs, nice synthetic oil, and a good battery will start at -30C without additional heaters the very first time you crank it.   If it's hard to start *something* is probably amiss.
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Reply #4April 08, 2008, 12:02:52 am

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that is true, however I have chased what is wrong so long and invested too much time and money and came up with nothing, so I am happy to stop worrying and put a heater under it
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Reply #5April 08, 2008, 12:08:43 am

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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2008, 12:08:43 am »
the car still starts just fine.  I Don't have a compression tester for a diesel, I may try moving the injectors around

Reply #6April 08, 2008, 01:35:40 am

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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2008, 01:35:40 am »
Quote from: "truckinwagen"
that is true, however I have chased what is wrong so long and invested too much time and money and came up with nothing, so I am happy to stop worrying and put a heater under it


Yup... at a certain point you kinda hit diminishing returns on the detective work and go for what works, don't ya.
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Reply #7May 21, 2008, 11:56:14 pm

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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2008, 11:56:14 pm »
how do you know if a cyl is not firing on a diesel? I am having the same symptoms and was thinking that a cyl is not firing but I am not sure how to tell or why one would not fore.

Reply #8May 21, 2008, 11:57:47 pm

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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2008, 11:57:47 pm »
Crack each injector, you should hear the idle drop.  Mine does not drop when cold, but does when warm.