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April 03, 2008, 09:46:26 am

harry_the_face

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Buying a TDI, what should I look for?
« on: April 03, 2008, 09:46:26 am »
I am considering upgrading to a newer TDI from my 85 quantum TD IDI.  I would like some advice as to what to look for in a TDI.  Is there any "BAD YEARS" or known problems to keep my eye out for?  I am looking for the best fuel economy because I drive 120 miles round trip trip work.  Thank s for the advice.
85 VW Quantum TD

Reply #1April 03, 2008, 10:18:39 am

RabbitGTDguy

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Buying a TDI, what should I look for?
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2008, 10:18:39 am »
Heh...heh. Or convert that Quantum TD to TDI :) That may be a better bet.

Honestly, TDI's themselves are fairly fault free. Now, the body that they are sitting in could lead something to be desired, especially when it comes to MKIV's. However, keep up on the recalls (misc things...brake light switch, heated seats, etc...) and the maintenence and you are good to go.

Things to look out for...

Make sure you check the maintenence records...make sure oil changes and filter changes were done as well as timing belts, tensioners, etc. That is a good indication.

Run the VIN through VW to check the status of recalls on the car...if its certified, all recalls that are out should be taken care of...

ALH cars and the way the EGR system is setup and A3/B4 TDI's for that matter too are prone to the intake manifold "clogging" up because of the EGR system and the soot/carbon that gets collected in the intake manifold. This can lead to a variety of economy problems and even more so....power problems. Cleaning the intake isn't hard but does take some time. A good investment to look into or DIY if you get one yourself. Especially anything with more than 80-100k on it I'd imagine. My 1z motor I got from a b4 originally (now in the mk1) had 126k on it and the manifold was probably close to 50% blocked with soot!
With an ALH car (MKIV) check the condition of the VNT15 and its acutator as they are prone to rusting out...and failure...

Look for the normal things....smoke, nasty rattles (beyond a diesel rattle), poor power, etc.

Lets see...what else. Hmm...PD's are picky about their oil requirements and have much tighter tolerances on the engine in general. there have been "problems" out there but many of them have come from oil problems, owners using the wrong oil, etc. PD's also reported haven't done as well MPG wise compared to the VE pump cars. Reportedly...don't quote me on that.

Honestly, I haven't been happy with the VW line up as of these later years.  The MKV is an improvement over the MKIV, but in general VW itself has become more difficult to work with (we have a certified pre-owned MKIV 1.8T jetta GLS) warranty wise, etc. and it really depends on your dealership experiences as well. For instance...the closest VW dealer to me is Bill Cooke's in Ithaca (45min) but I will gladly drive the car to Autohaus of Orchard Park in Buffalo, NY (2hr) just for the true, all "VW" dealership experience vs. Bill Crook's Toyota/VW/Audi/Scion/Subaru etc. service shop. I've gotten to the point where they finally changed managers at his place and its a "bit" better, but they still don't treat each customer "the same" or go above and beyond like Autohaus does. So...my words there...shop carefully when looking for a car...especially from the dealership. Go for a full VW/Audi one if possible. My other suggestions looking for a TDI in general are for buying on the market or the private market as well.
It also helps and maybe check TDI club for this...if when you go look at a car to have a well versed TDI person come check it out with you. There are alot of guys that do this on TDIClub and i've done it for a few in this area as well. It goes a long way!

I think the best bet is to keep with old reliable if you have the time, the body is in good shape and if your of the utilitarian minded...maybe save towards a swap.  That is if you have the time too!  I personally out of the TDI's if I were looking for one would look for...

B4 Passat TDI Wagon (96-97)
or
MKIV Jetta TDI wagon

The nice thing about doing a swap into the older platforms is that once you have done it...its "done".  Parts are easy to find for the older cars and don't cost you an arm and a leg. They are also more simple in the means of creature comforts...but that takes some hassles away as well (like recalls on seats that catch on fire...though b3's also had a problem there) and the misc. stuff you get into with major car payments, etc. TDI cars hold their value and currently even though swap prices are still fairly expensive...you can "swap" a car to TDI for a lot less than it would cost to buy one.

Anyways...don't know if that gives you and good insight or what have you...but they are some ideas.
I currently have a Mk1 that I built a crazy mTDI motor for and I am starting in on another swap into my 91 Passat wagon...another mTDI based on a 1z (b4 passat) motor. It is such a rock solid and reliable car and is just "that easy" to find parts and buy parts for since it shares so many with other platforms.

Joe
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1972 VW Westfalia
2009 VW Tiguan SE 2.0T (Wife's car)
2001 Audi TT 225 Quattro Roadster (something newer :) )

Reply #2April 04, 2008, 04:40:14 pm

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Buying a TDI, what should I look for?
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2008, 04:40:14 pm »
Thanks for the Info, it was very helpful.

Time is the reason to consider an upgrade.  I bought the 85 Quantum TD with the good intentions to restore it to a good daily driver.  The problem is I got rid of my daily driver and started driving the Quantum (120miles a day)  before I fixed everything.  I have been very buisy with a full time job and building a business on the side.  And the wife and kids.  I enjoy doing the work on the car it is relaxing but it has been dificult to stay ahead of the problems.  And the only "VW" shop has screwed up every job I have had them do.  Right now I am driving my wife's Diesel Suburban :cry: to work.  The other problem is NO One in the area carries parts for a quantum so I have to order them and wait 3-5 days.  I retrospect I should have bought a rabbit because parts are easier to com by.  

What years were the PD vs. the VE pump?

What is a VNT15?
85 VW Quantum TD

Reply #3April 04, 2008, 06:02:39 pm

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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2008, 06:02:39 pm »
04 mid+ MKV cars are PD cars...

96-98 B4 Passat is a 1z TDI (VE pump car)
96-98 A3 Jetta is a AHU TDI (VE pump car)
00-04 mid year switch MKIV Jetta/Golf ALH TDI( VE pump cars)

With a few changes, exceptions and models left out....like the one TDI motor i'd consider...found rarely in the passat...a 16v PD version...oye. Hard to find parts for though and expensive to fix if broke...

Joe
1979 Rabbit mTDI crazy $*(\%& bunny...
1972 VW Westfalia
2009 VW Tiguan SE 2.0T (Wife's car)
2001 Audi TT 225 Quattro Roadster (something newer :) )

Reply #4May 03, 2008, 03:34:19 pm

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Re: Buying a TDI, what should I look for?
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2008, 03:34:19 pm »
Quote from: "harry_the_face"
I am considering upgrading to a newer TDI from my 85 quantum TD IDI.  I would like some advice as to what to look for in a TDI.  Is there any "BAD YEARS" or known problems to keep my eye out for?  I am looking for the best fuel economy because I drive 120 miles round trip trip work.  Thank s for the advice.


Stay clear of the PD engines. There are just too many issues with the oil. If a prior owner used anything but 505.01 from a dealership (produce a recipt) then the risk of serious damage WILL result.

IMHO...the best engine for your needs would be a AHU engine. Parts are less expensive and slightly easier to work on. The ALH engine ( nearly thesame as the AHU) has a better turbo parts a bit more expensive

Reply #5May 04, 2008, 09:16:25 pm

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Re: Buying a TDI, what should I look for?
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2008, 09:16:25 pm »
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Stay clear of the PD engines. There are just too many issues with the oil. If a prior owner used anything but 505.01 from a dealership (produce a recipt) then the risk of serious damage WILL result.  ....


Thanks for responding to this thread,  I just bought an '04 with PD and Tiptronic,  Would you please elaborate on the damage?  Hope i've missed it.  there are breaks in the maint. book.