Author Topic: what is the wastegate function  (Read 5752 times)

April 01, 2005, 12:43:26 pm

hamann

  • Newbie

  • Offline
  • *

  • 14
what is the wastegate function
« on: April 01, 2005, 12:43:26 pm »
hello,i'm interested in what the wastegate does.
we have been arguing with a friend and so
is it to limit the rpm of the turbo at a specifyed presure
or is it for when you release the gas pedal
or is it for something else?


p.s - is 1v an idi or a tdi engine???


thank you!!!
if u don't like how i drive,get off the sidewalk!!!

Reply #1April 01, 2005, 01:00:48 pm

jtanguay

  • Veteran

  • Offline
  • ***

  • 6879
what is the wastegate function
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2005, 01:00:48 pm »
well the wastegate is factory set to open at 10 psi.  (when the turbo reaches this pressure, it opens the exhaust relief valve which limits the turbo rpm/boost)

as for the 1v, I have no clue.  Possibly IV? as in MKIV ???  that would be a TDI :)


This is how we deal with porn spammers! You've been warned.

Reply #2April 01, 2005, 01:31:37 pm

hamann

  • Newbie

  • Offline
  • *

  • 14
what is the wastegate function
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2005, 01:31:37 pm »
thank you!

about the 1v - this is the engine code/of jetta '91 :D /
if u don't like how i drive,get off the sidewalk!!!

Reply #3April 01, 2005, 04:12:44 pm

lord_verminaard

  • Veteran

  • Offline
  • ***

  • 1080
what is the wastegate function
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2005, 04:12:44 pm »
1v engine- 1.6 Turbo-Diesel, 91 and 92 German-made Jettas only.  60 hp, or 44 KW.  :)  I think this was the Eco-Diesel, as the ME was N/A, the MF-TD was 70 hp.  

Brendan
84 Scirocco 8v
00 Camaro L36 M49
81 Scirocco 'S -->Soon to be m-TDI
93 Corrado SLC VR6
'86 Golf N/A Diesel  -->Wife's car
1990 Audi CQ
05 New Beetle PD TDI


"I am a man, I can change... if I have to.... I guess....."

-Red Green

Reply #4April 01, 2005, 04:44:38 pm

racer_x

  • Junior

  • Offline
  • **

  • 123
Re: what is the wastegate function
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2005, 04:44:38 pm »
Quote from: "hamann"
hello,i'm interested in what the wastegate does.
we have been arguing with a friend and so
is it to limit the rpm of the turbo at a specifyed presure
A wastegate bypasses exhaust gas around the turbine. It's to limit the RPM of the turbo and to control boost in the intake charge.

Quote from: "hamann"
or is it for when you release the gas pedal
In a gas powered engine with a turbocharger, there's another device called a blow off valve or diverter valve that is to limit pressure in the boost plumbing when the throttle plates close.  When you have the engine at full throttle and making full boost, the turbine and compressor wheel are spinning very fast and pumping lots of air through. When you suddenly let off the gas and the throttle plates close, the momentum of the turbine and compressor will keep packing air into the closed system. The pressure goes way up, and this puts a lot of pressure on the compressor wheel to slow it down. If things are spinning fast enough and the throttle closes quick enough, it's almost like sticking a screwdriver in the compressor and it can cause damage to the compressor wheel. The blow off valve limits pressure in that part of the intake tract and prevents damage to the compressor wheel from sudden throttle closings.

I think all the VW turbodiesels also have a pressure limiting valve on the intake, but that's mostly a safety feature in case the wastegate fails or the manifold overpressurizes for some reason.

Quote from: "hamann"
or is it for something else?


p.s - is 1v an idi or a tdi engine???
Not sure, but I think the 1V is the 1.6L ECO diesel. A sort of wierd IDI turbodiesel made more for economy and ecological friendliness than power and performance. They had no aneroid on the pump, and a funky catalytic converter. Basically, all the complexity of a turbocharger plus some extra emissions stuff with all the power of a normally asthmatic IDI 1.6L.


Quote from: "hamann"
thank you!!!
You're welcome.

Reply #5April 01, 2005, 10:32:39 pm

hamann

  • Newbie

  • Offline
  • *

  • 14
what is the wastegate function
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2005, 10:32:39 pm »
thank you all - you were very helpful!!!


p.s - the jetta is made in germany :wink:

p.s2 - great forum guys - exactly what i need for tuning my jetta


p.s3 - greetings from europe :D
if u don't like how i drive,get off the sidewalk!!!

Reply #6April 02, 2005, 11:50:46 am

autobahn

  • Guest
Re: what is the wastegate function
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2005, 11:50:46 am »
Quote from: "racer_x"

I think all the VW turbodiesels also have a pressure limiting valve on the intake, but that's mostly a safety feature in case the wastegate fails or the manifold overpressurizes for some reason.


Would this be true for the AAZ? Do some people modding their TD's/TDI's install BOV's? If not, what is the difference that makes them unnesessary on these turbodiesels?

Reply #7April 02, 2005, 04:50:10 pm

QuickTD

  • Veteran

  • Offline
  • ***

  • 1156
what is the wastegate function
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2005, 04:50:10 pm »
Quote
Would this be true for the AAZ? Do some people modding their TD's/TDI's install BOV's? If not, what is the difference that makes them unnesessary on these turbodiesels?


I think that by the 90's VW had made the wastegate pretty reliable, negating the need for a redundant system. The 1.9TD has a remote wastegate actuator that is very reliable. The swing valve wastegate itself runs on stainless bushings and never seizes, even on old junkyard engines. The 1.6TD turbo's have a wastegate actuator that mounts directly on the turbine housing. These are still pretty reliable but I have seen them rust up and stick if the car has sat for a long time.

Reply #8May 18, 2010, 02:41:13 pm

blackbird82

  • Junior

  • Offline
  • **

  • 151
Re: what is the wastegate function
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2010, 02:41:13 pm »
no need for a bov in a diesel. because there is no throttle plate. that simple
I love the whistle......

Reply #9May 18, 2010, 04:44:04 pm

Vincent Waldon

  • Global Moderator
  • Veteran

  • Offline
  • ***

  • 3255
    • My collection of HOWTOs
Re: what is the wastegate function
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2010, 04:44:04 pm »
? Do some people modding their TD's/TDI's install BOV's?

99.999% of the time the reason someone tries to *add* a BOV to a VW TD or TDI is because they want the noise it makes that their friends have on their gasser turbos.
Vince

Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
2001 silver TDI Jetta Malone Stage 1.5 , 2001 blue TDI Jetta SBIII 216s Malone Stage 3, 1970 Bay Window bus

Gone but not forgotten: 1969/1971 Beetles, 1969/1974 Westies, 1979 Rabbit, 1986 TD Jetta, 1992 gas Jetta, 1994 TD Jetta

Reply #10May 19, 2010, 08:08:22 am

lord_verminaard

  • Veteran

  • Offline
  • ***

  • 1080
Re: what is the wastegate function
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2010, 08:08:22 am »
no need for a bov in a diesel. because there is no throttle plate. that simple

OMG 5 year old post bump!!!!  Back when I had my '84 Scirocco and my friggin' Camaro!!!

Brendan
81 Scirocco 'S -->Soon to be m-TDI
93 Corrado SLC VR6
'86 Golf N/A Diesel  -->Wife's car
1990 Audi CQ
05 New Beetle PD TDI


"I am a man, I can change... if I have to.... I guess....."

-Red Green

Reply #11May 20, 2010, 02:12:20 pm

Smokey Eddy

  • Veteran

  • Offline
  • ***

  • 3468
    • McScrubbins Body Wash
Re: what is the wastegate function
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2010, 02:12:20 pm »
Hahahahhaha i didn't notice the post dates!!!
blackbird82, why did you reply to a 5 year old post?!?! hahahahah
Ed
Blacked out mk2 AAZ Jetta RIP. You are missed.
White 1999.5 ALH Golf 2dr. Low & wide. Rammed off the road RIP.
Blue 2009 CR140 Jetta CBEA/CJAA. Malone stage 2. EGR/DPF/Exhaust-valve deletes. 2.5" open exhaust. ADP Turbo swap. 1-stage nitrous kit. THROWN ROD

Reply #12May 27, 2010, 01:27:42 pm

blackbird82

  • Junior

  • Offline
  • **

  • 151
Re: what is the wastegate function
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2010, 01:27:42 pm »
5 years, 50 years. the reason for no BOV won't change.  Its just funny to see questions that silly asked!
I love the whistle......