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Got clutch done, now EGT gauge is bouncing around
by
Cheesetoast
on 29 Mar, 2005 23:12
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my egt gauge now will mostly bounce around randomly, if I turn the car off and just have the gauge powered up, it will be normal and steady, turn the car on, and it goes nuts. Any idea what it could be? I'm thinking ground, looked aorund, everything looked ok, any hidden grounds that might have been disconnected?
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#1
by
dieselpower
on 30 Mar, 2005 01:58
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thats how my oil temp sensor was. i looked and found that it was just a screw that came loose for the ground. i'd try to take everything off then put it all back together to make sure everything has a good connection. also is it tied anyway into any other circuits? not really significant but i was hanging around the vw dealer here and the power mirror switch was changed sometime and on the same model car if you put the older one in, exact same from apperance, then putting it to left iirc would turn on the dash lights. this would happen because of a common ground back powering the dash lights through the switch somehow.
anyway good luck
Mark
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#2
by
lord_verminaard
on 30 Mar, 2005 05:45
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Dont forget the ground on the drivers side, under the battery tray. The negative cable should mount to the drivers inner fender, then a ground strap mounts from there to the end cap on the transmission. Since you had the tranny out for the clutch, I'd check that one.
Somehow I managed to drive my Rocco 430 miles with that strap disconnected. May have had something to do with the charging problems......
:shock:
Brendan
84 Scirocco 8v
00 Camaro L36 M49
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#3
by
fspGTD
on 30 Mar, 2005 08:24
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The EGT gauge should operate on an isolated, non-powered circuit. (A small voltage source from the thermocouple itself is what makes the gauge move.) However if there is an intermittent connection, it could go in and out randomly or with vibrations, or if there is a short somewhere you could get other haywire results... I would inspect your EGT gauge wiring from gauge to thermocouple, paying very close attention to where the wiring goes through the firewall (for chafing) and where it connects to the thermocouple (for good corrosion-free connection.) Also make sure the wiring is securely plugged in to the gauge.
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#4
by
Cheesetoast
on 30 Mar, 2005 08:52
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this is probably the case, i'll check that one tonight and report back.
Dont forget the ground on the drivers side, under the battery tray. The negative cable should mount to the drivers inner fender, then a ground strap mounts from there to the end cap on the transmission. Since you had the tranny out for the clutch, I'd check that one.
Somehow I managed to drive my Rocco 430 miles with that strap disconnected. May have had something to do with the charging problems......
:shock:
Brendan
84 Scirocco 8v
00 Camaro L36 M49
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#5
by
Cheesetoast
on 30 Mar, 2005 08:53
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The EGT gauge should operate on an isolated, non-powered circuit. (A small voltage source from the thermocouple itself is what makes the gauge move.) However if there is an intermittent connection, it could go in and out randomly or with vibrations, or if there is a short somewhere you could get other haywire results... I would inspect your EGT gauge wiring from gauge to thermocouple, paying very close attention to where the wiring goes through the firewall (for chafing) and where it connects to the thermocouple (for good corrosion-free connection.) Also make sure the wiring is securely plugged in to the gauge.
checked the wiring in the engine bay, looks fine, can't see it being back behind the gauge, tapping the guage doens't make a difference, and the guage works fine with the engine off. thx guys.
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#6
by
Cheesetoast
on 30 Mar, 2005 09:13
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I just did a thorough check under the car and above, couldn't see any grounding strap under the battery tray. Do I actually have to take the battery out to see this?
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#7
by
Mark(The Miser)UK
on 30 Mar, 2005 09:36
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The EGT gauge should operate on an isolated, non-powered circuit. (A small voltage source from the thermocouple itself is what makes the gauge move.) However if there is an intermittent connection, it could go in and out randomly or with vibrations, or if there is a short somewhere you could get other haywire results... I would inspect your EGT gauge wiring from gauge to thermocouple, paying very close attention to where the wiring goes through the firewall (for chafing) and where it connects to the thermocouple (for good corrosion-free connection.) Also make sure the wiring is securely plugged in to the gauge.
checked the wiring in the engine bay, looks fine, can't see it being back behind the gauge, tapping the guage doens't make a difference, and the guage works fine with the engine off. thx guys.
Could the problem be with a 'circuit' being made through the gauge casing?
Is it metal? Is it earthed?[casing] Can it be pulled for a closer inspection? Is there a connector on the thermocouple circuit that you can put meter probes on and check for correct voltage with ignition on or better still test for isolation wrt earth.
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#8
by
lord_verminaard
on 30 Mar, 2005 17:00
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I just did a thorough check under the car and above, couldn't see any grounding strap under the battery tray. Do I actually have to take the battery out to see this?
Shouldnt have to, although on my Rocco (which is an A1 and yours being an A3, might be different) the strap is directly under the right side (looking from the front of the car) of the battery. If you follow the negative cable down, it should mount to the body. The ground strap to the tranny is mounted in the same place. I did a quick look in ETKA and while it doesnt show a picture of this ground strap, it does list a ground strap "for battery side panel" which is about as clear as mud, but it lists it as separate from the negative cable. (which is also sometimes called a ground strap in ETKA.
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Good luck, I think when VW engineers encountered a problem, they just added another ground and another vacuum line and called it "fixed".
Brendan
84 Scirocco 8v
00 Camaro L36 M49
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#9
by
Cheesetoast
on 30 Mar, 2005 18:08
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hmm, the gauge is working fine again now, maybe had something to do with the battery being unplugged? who knows.
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#10
by
Cheesetoast
on 30 Mar, 2005 22:17
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spoke too soon, it's messed up again tonight, only thing I did was put it on ramps, spray the underengine in degreaser and rinse off a couple minutes later. I'll try reseating all my grounds, maybe they're corroded.
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#11
by
Mark(The Miser)UK
on 31 Mar, 2005 02:10
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spoke too soon, it's messed up again tonight, only thing I did was put it on ramps, spray the underengine in degreaser and rinse off a couple minutes later. I'll try reseating all my grounds, maybe they're corroded.
AFAIK all the original styled EGT systems were stand alone. BUT with lots of 'made for car' modern tack this may not be the case.
If you disconnect your car battery +ve; does the meter still read exhaust temp? If it does then its an independant circuit.
(If it doesn't then earthing on the car is likely.)
Get engine hot enough for a reading then 'pop the bonnet' ahh pull the hood ;o)
Play around with the thermocouple leads for looseness.
Find the chocolate block connector if there is one :wink:
Disconnect and fit a mV meter... site it so that you can see it when you are doing whatever it is that you do to get it jiggling all over the place and see if its repeated on the test meter. No? then create a false signal to the EGT meter itself using a 1.5 V battery and a suitable inline resistor and a variable resistor to sweep the scale from 0 to FSD
:mrgreen: Still no good? Sell your Rabbit and use the money as deposit for a Quantum :mrgreen:
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#12
by
Cheesetoast
on 31 Mar, 2005 09:20
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it's a 93 golf td, not a rabbit
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#13
by
Mark(The Miser)UK
on 31 Mar, 2005 12:57
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it's a 93 golf td, not a rabbit
Oops sorry Mr Cheesey Toes; does that mean that your car has 'fart flaps' rather than a heater valve? :wink:
:mrgreen: I'm a big cheese eater actually and recently bought some Monteray Jack... 'Uckin 'ell; I've eaten tastier power balls. (Does make good elastic on a homemade pizza though. :mrgreen:
I do hope you trace this EGT problem... The thing is how hard are you going to kick yourself when you discover what you've done?
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#14
by
Cheesetoast
on 31 Mar, 2005 17:05
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that's the problem, I didn't do the clutch, i'll just reseat the grounds, see how that goes.
it's a 93 golf td, not a rabbit
I do hope you trace this EGT problem... The thing is how hard are you going to kick yourself when you discover what you've done?