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Help me do my glowplugs! by Cheesetoast on 09 Dec, 2007 05:27
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Ok, this rough starting when the car is cold is getting old. I need someone to come help me check and change the glow plugs on my 93 golf. heated garage, can supply choice of beer, or even fix your computer. Located in South Surrey, or can come to your place. Any takers?
I'm not an idiot, i'm mechanically inclined, just don't have the know how and don't wanna *** something up. -
#1 by somolovitch3 on 09 Dec, 2007 10:02
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And just how close to Salt Lake City, UT is that?
Dig out your Bently and go step by step.
1) DISCONECT THE BATTERY GROUND CABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(yep, very immportant!)
2) Remove the hard lines to injectors (17 mm wench should help [of the
tube type])
3) Starting with #4 (passenger side) remove the nut on the end of the
glow plug (an 8mm wench here) (Yes we did the hardest first).
4) With all the nuts removed, gently ripp that damn buss pos out of the
way! Or just tickle it until it falls out.
5) Remove glow plugs (Hmmmm lost another wench, cheeky darn
thing! :oops:
6) Check to see if you have fast plugs or slow plugs. Slow plugs are 9
Amp, fast are 15 Amps. DO NOT USE FAST IN SLOW, OR SLOW
IN FAST SETUP!!!!!!!!!!!! One will burn up your glow plugs FAST, and
the othe will never get the job done.
7) TEST your NEW glow plugs. Jumper wire from terminal to + battery,
theads to neg side, 10 seconds should be "GLOWING". Just because
they are new, does not mean they work.
Install NEW TESTED glow plugs, starting once again with #4. (If you do
the hard ones first, you are less likely to be fusterated and mess up.)
9) Replace the glow plug buss strip. (Or REPLACE the glow plug buss strip
with some #8 wire with the proper terminals on it. 4 plugs, 4 wires
all going to the fuse there. Or thru a relay setup like..[Ooops, thats
a different post!])
10) Reinstall hard lines to injetors (Where did that cheeky bit go?)
11) Reconect battery ground. (Okay, what did we forget this time?
Hummm....... Got that, that and .... that. Just checking!)
12)..................Oh Yea, start car! (You DID pick up ALL your tools and
wenches, no?) :twisted:
That's how to replace glow plugs, Wheather that was your problem or not......? :roll:
FOUND IT!!! That paricular wench looks alot like 12mm! :lol:
A case of San Migael Dark souds good to me. -
#2 by burn_your_money on 09 Dec, 2007 12:37
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That's BC right?
I need my computer fixed too
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#3 by Cheesetoast on 09 Dec, 2007 14:11
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yeah, it's in bc. thx for the step by step, maybe i'll give it a go. I'd like to kill that bus bar too, where's the how to on that, that will make it easier to test which one has failed in the future right?
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#4 by somolovitch3 on 09 Dec, 2007 15:45
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And just how close to Salt Lake City, UT is that?
Dig out your Benyly and go step by step.
1) DISCONECT THE BATTERY GROUND CABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(yep very immportant!)
2) Remove the hard lines to injectors (17 mm wench should help [of the
tube type])
3) Starting with #4 (passenger side) remove the nut on the end of the
glow plug (an 8mm wench here) (Yes we did the hardest first).
4) With all the nuts removed, gently ripp that damn bus pos out of the
way! Or just tickle it until it falls out.
5) Remove glow plugs (Hmmmm lost another wench, cheeky darn
thing!) :oops:
6) Check to see if you have fast plugs or slow plugs. Slow plugs are 9
Amp, fast are 15 Amps. DO NOT USE FAST IN SLOW, OR SLOW
IN FAST SETUP!!!!!!!!!!!! One will burn up your glow plugs FAST, and
the othe will never get the job done.
7) TEST your NEW glow plugs. Jumper wire from terminal to + battery,
theads to neg side, 10 seconds should be "GLOWING". Just because
they are new, does not mean they work. Install NEW TESTED glow plugs, starting once again with #4. (If you do
the hard ones first, you are less likely to be fusterated and mess up.)
9) Replace the glow plug buss strip. (Or REPLACE the glow plug buss strip
with some #8 wire with the proper terminals on it. 4 plugs, 4 wires
all going to the fuse there. Or thru a relay setup like..[Ooops, thats
a different post!])
10) Reinstall hard lines to injetors (Where did that cheeky bit go?)
11) Reconect battery ground. (Okay, what did we forget this time?
Hummm....... Got that, that and .... that. Just checking!)
12)..................Oh Yea, start car! (You DID pick up ALL your tools and
wenches, no?) :twisted:
That's how to replace glow plugs, Wheather that was your problem or not......? :roll:
FOUND IT!!! That paricular wench looks alot like 12mm! :lol: -
#5 by somolovitch3 on 09 Dec, 2007 15:59
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Okay. opperater errer, so we will blame the computer!
Yes, it does make it easier to chase down a single dead glow plug.
The relay setup is a couple of diffent ideas put together...... Larger sized battery wire (#2 Weld cable, a "HOT" post remotely located from either the battery or the starter + post, relays and fuses to run the glow plugs from the "remote" + post, (using the GP relay to trigger the others), all to insure max voltage/current at the starter for cold starts. Also larger wire from the B+ post(s) on the Alt. Larger wire to ground Alt, #2 weld cable from starter mount to new (larger) ground bolt on trany mount bracket, #2 weld cable from there to batt neg,.... you get the general idea ........... -
#6 by commuter boy on 11 Dec, 2007 22:32
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Quote from: "Cheesetoast"
Ok, this rough starting when the car is cold is getting old. I need someone to come help me check and change the glow plugs on my 93 golf. heated garage, can supply choice of beer, or even fix your computer. Located in South Surrey, or can come to your place. Any takers?
Bring it over, I'll give you a hand, I'm in Burnaby by BCIT. I've got all the tools, and VM Autohaus is just around the corner to get parts from. PM me for contact info and to arrange a time. -
#7 by Cheesetoast on 28 Dec, 2007 00:33
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finally had to do it today. went to drive home from work and the car woudl barely run, sputtering, running on 3 cylenders.
got 4x bosche glow plugs at lordco $14.30 each, what a deal. took me around 2 hours, needed magnet on a stick, blue tacky stuff, 8mm and 12mm ratchet wrenches, giant screwdriver and a lot of patience!!! stupid design. -
#8 by oldskool rich on 28 Dec, 2007 10:41
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i didnt know there was 2 different types, 2 of mine went on my aaz so i took 2 out of a realy old n/a 1.6 tested them and then put em in, is that bad?
how long will they last?
omfg im so stupid :roll:
duno bout you guys but i just take the pump off to do my plugs, done it so many times now i can do it in my sleep -
#9 by Baselyne on 28 Dec, 2007 11:50
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so i suppose dialing in that pump is super easy eh....seems like alot of work to just get at teh GP....my pumps already off so i suppose thats part of the problem out of the way... i could see number's 1 and 2 being a real ***....
As for the difference in Glow Plugs heating time....how would someone check to see they have the correct ones or whats the difference in apperences? thanks ive never heard this before... -
#10 by akrallysport on 28 Dec, 2007 21:35
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I just did mine on Monday when the temps finally popped above freezing.
For #3 & 4
deep 12mm socket
8mm socket
For #1 & 2
12mm ratcheting box-wrench
8mm wrench
screwdriver with magnetic tip
needle-nose pliers to insert glowplugs
Took 2.5 hrs by spending 45 mins digging out my 8mm from between the pump and block. -
#11 by Cheesetoast on 28 Dec, 2007 21:38
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guh, car still starts super rough, if i plug in the block heater. if i don't plug it in, it don't start. Jumpering 12v to the glow plugs for 5 seconds doesn't help.
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#12 by Vincent Waldon on 28 Dec, 2007 21:42
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You've checked that your new glow plugs are getting at least 20 seconds of 12V ??
Glowplugs are one reason why a diesel might be hard to start when cold... but only one.
Timing and compression are the other big two. -
#13 by Cheesetoast on 28 Dec, 2007 21:51
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when using the block heater it starts but starts super rough. lumpy idle for a minute trying to find someone local that can check my timing
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#14 by Cheesetoast on 29 Dec, 2007 01:55
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it also sounds raspier about 3500 rpm, like more tin sounding. i think the timings not right.