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October 20, 2007, 05:32:41 pm

Vincent Waldon

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deep socket for 1.6 injectors doesn't fit 1.9 injectors...
« on: October 20, 2007, 05:32:41 pm »
... the body appears to be quite a bit thicker.

Since I don't have the 1.9 injectors out yet it will be tricky running from store to store eyeballing one for fit.

Does any AAZ owner out there know a definitive source of a deep 27mm socket  that fits the 1.9 injectors ??   Bonus points if it's a Canadian source ??!!


thanks in advance,

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Reply #1October 20, 2007, 06:00:55 pm

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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2007, 06:00:55 pm »
This post covers a bunch of the info you will be looking for.  I had the same problem.  I ended up cheating and taking them off in two pieces.  Wrench for the top of the body, socket on the bottom half.

http://www.vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=79&highlight=injector

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Reply #2October 20, 2007, 06:31:33 pm

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deep socket for 1.6 injectors doesn't fit 1.9 injectors...
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2007, 06:31:33 pm »
Yup, thanks Jim.... I saw that thread but it wasn't clear to me if it was referring to 1.9s.

I'm really really trying to avoid removing the top half half 'cause I want to pop test them as is and see what they were set for.  

The search continues !


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Reply #3October 20, 2007, 06:57:26 pm

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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2007, 06:57:26 pm »
If the head is off,  and the injectors are still in, could you hook up the pop tester to an installed injector to get a reading?
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Reply #4October 20, 2007, 07:11:48 pm

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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2007, 07:11:48 pm »
Quote from: "subsonic"
If the head is off,  and the injectors are still in, could you hook up the pop tester to an installed injector to get a reading?


as long as you can get the fitting on the other end of the injector it should work.

theoretically you should be able to pop test an injector while in the motor... you just won't be able to check the spray pattern unless you have some sophisticated scope with a nice light (like they use in medical procedures which would be $$$$$$$$$$)

just pump it up slowly, and wait for it to pop.  :)  i doubt it would work with most injector test stands, unless you can take most of the stand apart.


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Reply #5October 20, 2007, 08:45:54 pm

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deep socket for 1.6 injectors doesn't fit 1.9 injectors...
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2007, 08:45:54 pm »
Quote from: "jtanguay"
Quote from: "subsonic"
If the head is off,  and the injectors are still in, could you hook up the pop tester to an installed injector to get a reading?


as long as you can get the fitting on the other end of the injector it should work.



Ah.... but I also want to be able to replace injectors at will... play with Mercedes nozzles... etc etc etc.

And, I wanna see what they look like inside... enquiringly minds want to know !
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Reply #6October 20, 2007, 10:19:50 pm

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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2007, 10:19:50 pm »
yea that #2 injector is a PITA to get out...


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Reply #7October 20, 2007, 10:21:53 pm

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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2007, 10:21:53 pm »
I had the same problem with the AAZ injectors I ended up getting a Wright tools 12Pt 1-1/16" socket the flutes run all the way to the bottom of the socket instead of only half way up like all the others I tried.  I got it at KMS tools here in Coquitlam. They are on the net at http://www.kmstools.com/ Cheers Dan
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Reply #8October 20, 2007, 10:38:51 pm

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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2007, 10:38:51 pm »
Fantastic Dan.... sounds like the key is to have the flutes go all the way to the bottom.   I'll check out their website.

Thanks again,


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Reply #9October 21, 2007, 07:47:40 am

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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2007, 07:47:40 am »
I bought a regular 27mm deep socket and put it in a lathe to get clearance, YMMV................

Reply #10October 21, 2007, 08:44:10 am

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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2007, 08:44:10 am »
What you need is  a thin wall socket....I used to borrow one from a diesel shop here in london.......it was a snap-on. Or you can take a regular one and machine it on a lathe.

Reply #11October 21, 2007, 01:11:54 pm

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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2007, 01:11:54 pm »
Quote from: "g-spec"
What you need is  a thin wall socket....I used to borrow one from a diesel shop here in london.......it was a snap-on. Or you can take a regular one and machine it on a lathe.


i'm down for machining it on a lathe.  making your own tools is sweet... now i just need a lathe  :roll:  :cry:


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Reply #12October 21, 2007, 02:55:20 pm

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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2007, 02:55:20 pm »
I don't think that the problem is on the OD of the socket. It is on the inside that the interference occurs with the return line nozzles at the top of the injector body. You would be a better man than I If you could bore the inside at the top only without taking out the flutes at the bottom  as well. I paid about $6.00 for the one that I got which just works. Cheers Dan
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Reply #13October 24, 2007, 10:20:26 am

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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2007, 10:20:26 am »
I've seen a couple of things done.  

I bought a cheap deep socket from Princess Auto and had my Dad hollow it out on the lathe at work.  (Its nice having a machinist around)

My brother bought the proper socket from Snap-On but its about $40.  Its their special socket for all vw, mercedes etc diesel injectors.  Just search their web site for the number, not all the Snap on guys know what your talking about when you ask them.

I've also seen another home made one, made from two sockets welded end to end. Cut off the top of one and weld it to the bottom of the other to get the clearance that you need.

But it think the 27mm deep socket from Craftsman is supose to work with out any modification.
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Reply #14October 24, 2007, 10:31:15 am

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deep socket for 1.6 injectors doesn't fit 1.9 injectors...
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2007, 10:31:15 am »
Yes, the Craftsman 27 mm deep 1/2 inch drive does work, at least on 1.6 injectors. You won't get one for six bucks though!