Author Topic: 1.6TD copper head gasket (Read 9039 times)

zooky · « **on:** August 05, 2006, 07:38:09 am »

I found a guy that can make copper head gaskets for the 1.6TD, they would be as good as or better than the 1.9 metal ones. There is a $40 set-up fee to get the pattern in the computer then they can be produced. Is there any vendors here that would be willing to stock these? Is there any interest in these? Here is his URL: http://www.headgasket.com (Gasket Works USA, LLC)

zooky · « **Reply #1 on:** August 05, 2006, 08:33:13 am »

yes, I sent him my old 1.6 mechanical gasket and he said he could duplicate it. I am sure he could also add those water jacket holes that have been discussed previously

Benjamin · « **Reply #2 on:** August 05, 2006, 09:30:24 am »

just for information, how much boost (turbopressure) can a copper headgasket hold?

Greetz, Benjamin

jtanguay · « **Reply #3 on:** August 05, 2006, 09:33:02 am »

copper is an excellent gasket material. It should be able to give a really good seal, better than the 1.9 metal HG.

Benjamin · « **Reply #4 on:** August 05, 2006, 09:57:00 am »

i ever learned at school copper gaskets can re-used (by heating and make it cold by putting it in water), are those heagaskets also able to re-used?

Greetz, Benjamin

DVST8R · « **Reply #5 on:** August 05, 2006, 10:39:14 am »

I talked with them, the better part of 4years ago about the same thing, Because of the costs of setup and my time frame I decided to go the 1.9HG route. I'm glad I did, as even with head bolts a 1.9hg with eldelbrock gasket goup and a good flat head and block I have had no problems with a 490psi motor and pushing 40ish psi into it. (I had a boost controller go bad and I was hard into it) To this date the only thing that I have seen that causes these HG's to go bad are:

1. Overheating 50%
2. Inproper Install 25%
3. Non spec flat mating surface on the head or block 25%

With this being said, if you are planing on running 40psi regularly, or have a mech head, the copper gasket is probably the way to go.

Theoreticaly you can re-aneal a copper gasket, but imho, it's a crap shoot and just not worth it.

RabbitJockey · « **Reply #6 on:** August 05, 2006, 11:12:07 am »

if someone like say passenger performance made them available, i'd blow my headgasket on purpose just to have an excuse to put one of these on haha.

zooky · « **Reply #7 on:** August 05, 2006, 11:18:41 am »

setup is $40 and $104 to produce it, thats for a one-off. If one of the vendors (or a group buy) were to order a few, the setup cost could be shared and the production should be cheaper

MaxHedrm · « **Reply #8 on:** August 05, 2006, 11:37:25 am »

What about the varying thicknesses? Would he just go with the thickest, or would there be options?[/url]

DVST8R · « **Reply #9 on:** August 05, 2006, 12:18:55 pm »

$144USD for a one off, or like $22CDN for a 1.9 :?

As far as verying thickness the vendor should offer the 1, 2 , or 3 hole thickness's. Though I have run a 3 hole on a 1 hole spec motor and didn't notice much of a differance (mostly just in starting it) The problem with verying the thickness too much is that you start to play with the squish area and that is just a whole nother barrell of monkeys.

zooky · « **Reply #10 on:** August 05, 2006, 12:33:42 pm »

how do you modify the 1.9 HG?

Master ACiD · « **Reply #11 on:** August 05, 2006, 12:52:24 pm »

these engines have a funny squish. the angle is basically zero. on most engines the squish has an angle. that is, the squish gap gets bigger the closer you get to the centre of the piston.

i wonder if a custom set of pistons which have a proper squish geometry and a hemisperical dome cut into the middle of the piston top would be beneficial. i dont know if theres enough room to work with though, sence idi needs such high compression to start. maybe if proper squish pistons were made with the right thickness headgasket then the idi would not need such high compression.

745 turbogreasel · « **Reply #12 on:** August 05, 2006, 03:15:48 pm »

Damn, I got played $160 for my last disposable fiber guaranteed to fail gasket....

935racer · « **Reply #13 on:** August 05, 2006, 04:31:37 pm »

I actually made a small run (4) of copper headgaskets about 3 months ago from a shop here locally, copper gaskets can be reused, and I could get them in different thicknesses as well. The thing is though, that a 1.9 HG with some goo and even just the stock stretch bolts hold lots of boost, like brett said, his hit 40 psi, and I think he had it set at 35 for daily driving, with the 1.9 gasket and headstuds, I woudl say the seal is good for 50psi+, but this is given that the block and head deck are STRAIGHT! That right there is the #1 reason for HG failure.

SO whos interested?

larry104 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 05, 2006, 07:55:45 pm »

I have a hydraulic head Ecodiesel and I'm about to remove the head and replace the gasket. It's not blown, but I'm intalled a TD pump and plan to run up the boost and don't want to take any chances. I'll be using stretch bolts. Also, one more question. Where can I get a tool to remove the head bolts? It looks like a Torx, but not quite. Thank you.

Author Topic: 1.6TD copper head gasket (Read 9039 times)

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