Author Topic: MPI IMMOBILIZERS (Read 11370 times)

clbanman · « **Reply #15 on:** February 23, 2009, 09:32:32 am »

What strikes me a bit funny about this is they are forcing you to have an electrical component installed in a way that means you have to cut the factory harness. I have heard of some cases in Ontario where dealers have refused to do electrical troubleshooting on cars that had remote starters installed until they were removed and the wiring was returned to factory specifications. I wonder what a VW dealer's approach would be to a warranty situation on the electrical system caused by the installation of the MPI mandated equipment?

dieselsmoke · « **Reply #16 on:** February 23, 2009, 09:49:32 am »

If your vehicle is on the most at risk list you pay nothing I believe. BUT in the end we are since MPI is government owned the taxpayers end up paying for it. The big thing that worries me is that even if they do "Pay" for it, if the place installing it has to do any "additional" work on the car that they see is above and beyond what a regular install is you have to pay for it. Also, when the piece of crap wrecks your vehicle or leaves you stranded you will be paying alot more for tow jobs and mechanics to fix it.

dieselsmoke · « **Reply #17 on:** February 23, 2009, 09:53:09 am »

I believe that the dealership will not touch it, you will have to take it to the place that installed it or some other mechanic to fix it. As for the warrenty, I am not sure. I would be right pissed if it voided my warrenty.

jtanguay · « **Reply #18 on:** February 23, 2009, 06:18:07 pm »

Quote from: "arb"

Quote from: "dieselsmoke"
Welcome to communist, Russia.

Check out the link below, it will make you sick.

http://blog.canoe.ca/raisinghell/2008/06/18/mpi_shares_private_info

We are not too far behind in some areas - The world's largest police air force gets their planes by confiscating them from "suspects". If you are flying into Detroit City airport, and our air traffic control takes you a little south across the river into Canada's airspace, our Customs & Boarder Patrol Nazi can take your plane for themselves...
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WTF!!! "hey i like this guy's plane... lets take him a little south" :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

my idea of a perfect insurance company, would be 100% electronic. just a bunch of tech savvy people running the company from their homes. you have a claim, you enter it online. it gets approved or denied and off you go. someone gets injured, and then they get their money... today's insurance companies are profit driven, and shouldn't be that way. because they take from the needy... for injury claims, two or more doctors would have to sign off on the injuries - whether or not someone is injured for life, or the extent of the injuries. too much legal hassle for someone to get what they deserve. 3 years lingering in a court battle is just wrong. the only ones who profit from that are... you guessed it! LAWYERS!!!!!!!! aaaaarghhh :lol:

dieselsmoke · « **Reply #19 on:** February 23, 2009, 07:13:22 pm »

Just heard today that an extended family member was left stranded at 2:30 in the morning coming from a house party because the imobilizer wouldn't let the car start. I should keep a running tally....

jtanguay · « **Reply #20 on:** February 23, 2009, 08:18:27 pm »

Quote from: "dieselsmoke"

Just heard today that an extended family member was left stranded at 2:30 in the morning coming from a house party because the imobilizer wouldn't let the car start. I should keep a running tally....

everyone should stand up against the government in this case.

in your case, i would seriously consider bypassing this immobilizing device. not hard in our case

run a direct wire right to the fuel stop solenoid, and to the head lights (with a fuse of course) and off you go. no heat, but put the selector to hottest, and then drive real fast :lol:

Sprockets · « **Reply #21 on:** February 24, 2009, 05:11:04 am »

Ok, without looking at your particular alarm system, I can't be 100% on this, but the following is based on removing numerous alarm systems.

Being a diesel, you have a really simple setup. Only way to imobilise it is to kill power to the stop solenoid, and to stop it from being cranked, the will normally kill the ignition live feed near the steering barrel. You can have all the fancy chips and electronics in the world, but a non OEM alarm system has to hack into these 2 parts of the loom, making it VERY easy to trace and bypass. What I normally do is find the alarm "brain" and trace all the wires, the rest will become obvious when you see where they have been spliced to the original loom.

I would install a DPDT switch on both wires when found so in one position, the wiring is as VW intended, in the other it's bypassed through the MPI to pass whatever standards you have to. Just hide the switch somewhere discrete

-Gavin

arb · « **Reply #22 on:** February 24, 2009, 05:45:02 am »

If MPI requires you to install one of these devices, and your car is still stolen, will they still pay you? Here in the US if you have a recent Mercedes-Benz with their fancy anti-theft, the insurance will not pay if it is stolen because they believe the system to be hacker-proof and therefore blame you for leaving the FOB in the car....

http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/31/1549238

dieselsmoke · « **Reply #23 on:** February 24, 2009, 03:23:53 pm »

Sprokets

That is a good idea installing two DPDT switches. I think that is what I will do.

Arb

Not sure if insurance will cover you vehicle or not if it is stolen with these alarms installed. Since MPI is only using 4 types I am sure a car thief can figure these out soon enough and steal your car pretty quickly.