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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: Barry W on May 23, 2007, 11:48:30 pm

Title: 1.6 TD head question.
Post by: Barry W on May 23, 2007, 11:48:30 pm: I recently took my head into a shop to get rebuilt and cleaned up after a t-belt broke on it. My head has 160k kms on it and the guy is telling me that the lifters seem to be swollen and he is not able to remove them.

I checked out the head before I sent it in and the cam turned fine and the valves do not show any signs of piston slap from the T-belt going at 120kph, although I asked them to check them anyways.

Anyone ever have trouble getting the lifters out of the head?
Title: 1.6 TD head question.
Post by: Black Smokin' Diesel on May 24, 2007, 09:01:14 am: The lifters can be a PITA to get out due to oil and slight succion when pulling them. A good trick is to turn the head upside down and gently tap it on the side with a rubber mallet to get them out. Otherwise, vice-grips should do the job provided you won't be re-using the lifters.
Title: 1.6 TD head question.
Post by: burn_your_money on May 24, 2007, 08:42:30 pm: Or just let it sit upside-down overnight, by the morning they should all have fallen out
Title: 1.6 TD head question.
Post by: Barry W on May 24, 2007, 09:17:48 pm: Anyone ever seen dented lifters? I'm told from the top end of the lifter?
The guy at the cylinder head shop said he was gonna try again tomorrow morning.... hopefully he has some luck. :cry:

Where does one buy these lifters?
Title: 1.6 TD head question.
Post by: burn_your_money on May 24, 2007, 09:25:18 pm: http://www.autopartsonlinecanada.com/ for lifters
Title: 1.6 TD head question.
Post by: Barry W on May 24, 2007, 11:36:02 pm: Would that be the cam follower?
http://parts.autopartsonlinecanada.com/parts/apocanada/wizard.jsp?year=1991&make=VW&model=JET-D-001&category=A&part=Cam+Follower
Title: 1.6 TD head question.
Post by: rabbit GTI/GTD on May 25, 2007, 09:50:11 am: never heard of dented cam followers, but i do know the tops can blow off into a million peices, my aaz, and my buddy's aaz, lol
Title: 1.6 TD head question.
Post by: Barry W on May 25, 2007, 11:06:53 pm: I called the shop today and they ahve been hammering the lifters to free them while having not much luck. I'm told he's even having a hard time turning the lifters in the head so they appear to be swollen or mushroomed.

Might need another hydro head.... anyone got one for sale?
Title: 1.6 TD head question.
Post by: jimfoo on May 26, 2007, 05:52:25 am: If they are that stuck, he should just weld a bolt or something on them to facilitate pulling them out. Like a bolt head down, a piece of pipe that will clear the follower, a flat piece of steel on top with a hole for said bolt, and a washer and nut. And you have a puller . :twisted:
Title: 1.6 TD head question.
Post by: RabbitJockey on May 26, 2007, 11:16:50 am: i used a magnet on mine
Title: 1.6 TD head question.
Post by: RabbitJockey on May 26, 2007, 01:09:01 pm: Quote from: libbybapa
I don't see how you would "hammer the lifters to free them". You might hammer the lifters to ruin the lifter bores, or to jam them further into the head, etc...

Andrew

haha yeah exactly, what machine shop did you take it to?
Title: 1.6 TD head question.
Post by: burn_your_money on May 26, 2007, 01:12:42 pm: Quote from: "Barry W"

Might need another hydro head.... anyone got one for sale?

Sure do.

Hammering the lifters doesn't make any sense to me either
Title: 1.6 TD head question.
Post by: Barry W on May 26, 2007, 10:34:10 pm: I took it to Economy cylinder heads in Calgary, AB. Been rebuilding heads since '81. I know of a few peeps that have used them locally with gas heads with good feedback.
The shop I wanted to take it to didn't answer the phone 4 times I called. :cry:

I'm told he was hammering them to compress them to aid in releasing their grip on the bores.

Whats a new head casting cost?
Title: 1.6 TD head question.
Post by: Mark(The Miser)UK on May 27, 2007, 01:48:26 am: Tapping with a drift along the axis of the valves is not unheard of if the follower has partially seized or is just catching and needs 'springing out'. Serviceable? Depends on luck and whether stuck from oil starvation or damage whilst still under oil. Sometimes the damage has occurred when last rebuilt. Follower taking several attempts to insert squarely... Or, now I think about it; a slipped valve spring compressor in a previous workshop visit.
Title: 1.6 TD head question.
Post by: burn_your_money on May 27, 2007, 06:40:28 am: My friend just bought a new head, I think it cost him $600CAD but I also think he got hosed at that shop
Title: 1.6 TD head question.
Post by: RabbitJockey on May 27, 2007, 09:37:31 am: yeah 600 is rediculous there was a place i found on google that was selling 1.6 heads for under 300 i believe. and on ebay there are often some 1.9 heads for sale too. brand new.
Title: 1.6 TD head question.
Post by: Barry W on May 27, 2007, 12:37:41 pm: am I able to use a 1.9 head?
Title: 1.6 TD head question.
Post by: burn_your_money on May 27, 2007, 07:45:12 pm: yes but it will lower your CR which will make winter starting a pain. There is lots more indepth info about it on this site. The nice thing is better flow
Title: 1.6 TD head question.
Post by: Barry W on May 27, 2007, 08:14:12 pm: I think i'll stick with the 1.6.
Hopefully I get good news tomorrow afternoon and the shop was able to remove the lifters.