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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: tdorval on August 02, 2006, 05:34:58 pm
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Hey guys, i've been browsing the forums a bit lately and have really been looking for a Jetta Diesel. They are quite hard to come by where i am, and even harder to find the turbo diesel, which would be nice because we have lots of mountains and grades to climb and what not. Well i just found one, a 1984 Jetta TD, 5 spd, with the original paint. The car seems pretty nice with minimal rust, 194,000 miles. It has been sitting for 3 years, and isn't running. The guy i spoke with said it turns over with a batterypack, but its not firing. He said he doesn't think there is fuel getting to the fuel pump, because it has been sitting for 3 years. He mentioned a little bit about the process for getting the fuel to the pump, but i'd rather hear it from you guys. How long should it take to do this process, are there any other things i should look for in a diesel mthats been sitting?
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Read all this, it applies directly to you
http://vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=3999
What I'd do is remove the fuel filter,replace it and fill it with clean diesel then remove the line that goes from the filter to the tank at the filter. Put another chunk of diesel line on there and put it into a pail of diesel (so the car has good fuel to run off of) Then try cranking it, after doing everything else mentioned in the previous thread.
Make sure the stop solenoid is getting 12v with the car cranking and in the run position. If it's not getting 12v run a wire directly from the + terminal on the battery to the stop solenoid. If it won't start still crack open 2 fuel unions on the injectors and crank. If diesel is coming out then you either have bad timing, bad compression etc. If there is no fuel coming out replace the stop solenoid, or take it apart and remove the seal off the bottom of it for troubleshooting purposes. If it comes to that ask for more details.
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thanks for the info... WHats a resonable compression for one of these motors, i can check it when i get to go look at the car.
TJ
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500 is new I think, don't quote me
you'll need new heatshields
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thanks for the numbers guys, I may be able to check it out thi sweek, but probably next week sometime. The guy wants 1850, does that seem resonable? I'm gona try to aim for 1500 i think. He says if he gets it running its 3000 so i got to talk to him a bit more and make sure he leaves it as is...
TJ
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$1850? Might be worth it depending on the car. Does he have any records of any maintenance? Has anything been done to the engine? Was it indeed running when he parked it? How's the body / interior / other mechanicals?
A good, running TD vehicle seems to be a commodity these days in the land of rising gas costs, so you'll have to factor in all the other aspects of the car.
From my experience, the TD's can be somewhat expensive to rebuild / get major parts for, so if the engine has truly 190k+ miles on it and you've never heard it run, you might be in for some expense if it's worn out.
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ya, the car is in good shape, but i just found a 91 turbo diesel thats running for 1800 so i think i'm gona go that route... I believe its a euro turbo diesel, if that makes any difference or not i haven't a clue, need to research the puppy a bit...
Thanks guys
TJ
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Do you mean eco-diesel perhaps? That's probably what it is... essentially the same as the TD motors, but no boost enrichment. Still has a turbo, but you're not getting the extra fuel under boost with those engines. Not a huge deal and I think you can update the pump to include the LDA.
Around here, the Mk1 Jetta TD is a pretty rare / neat car (I love Mk1's though), but the 91 is a much newer car with more creature comforts...might make a difference for you.
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Eco diesels also have a cat converter.
Personally (since I'm a mk1 junkie) I'd buy both and get the 84 running. If the engine is no good I'd part it out, put the engine from the 91 into the 84 and then find a replacement engine for the 91. But that's just me :D
The 91 defintly seems like a much better deal though, although more info will certainly be needed
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1800 for a non running 25 year old car is pretty bad. i'ts like my friend with a non running 92 eclipse gsx with a stripped interior and missing engine parts, and unknown condition of the engine, and he paid 500 for it. :roll:
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wow,my td jetta was 1000 and it had 168k,i think i got it in 02
hell rabbittree got it for me in maine ,and he brought it to ny,i drove it out here
1800 bux???nuts
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Well guys, i'm goign to look at the 91 TD Jetta tomorow. Yes it is indeed a Eco diesel, the add had a typo. It has 214,000 miles, a/c, he said it had an aftermarket cruise control, a tow hitch with the light connection, new glow plugs, new injector lines, and a almost new exhuast. Down sides are, no stereo, but i already have one, needs tires soon, antenae broken( cheap, needs a wheel bearing and a cv boot. How much would the wheel bearing and cv boot run me? The car is said to have little to no rust, a good headliner, and the color is a teal, which will probably change next year if its what i'm thinking of. There is a small dent in the passenger door, and a few chips in the paint on the hood from rocks or whatever on the highway. HE said he is open to offers so i'm hoping to get it for less... I would like to try and do a carfax check on it to make sure it hasn't been through any major accidents or anything. Are these cars prone to any major problems, the cars themselves, are they well built or is it goign to fall apart on me?
Thanks For all the info,
TJ
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wheel bearing and cv boot is about 50 bucks in parts
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good to hear it, i forgot to mention that this car runs well, it was the 84 that wasn't running...
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It was either 91 or 92 were the headlight switches were prone to failure and possible fire hazards.
other then that not much. I think CVs and a bearing wil cost you more then $50.. probably $150-200, depending on how long the bearing has been bad for and driven on
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well guys i bought the car yesterday. I got it for 1350, and he threw in a used spindle with a good bearing. I got 46 mpgs on the 160 mile trip home with it, and i beat on it a bit once i got used to it( little rally) the car cruzes at 75 on the highway no problem, with lots more to go. It has the eco tranny and i believe its geared higher. Well the car is a blast to drive. I'm pulling the front end apart right now to try and get the wheel bearing changed, i need to do a couple of searches about the process. I need to pick up some tires for this thing, they are mismatched. The other thing is whoever took the radio out simply snipped the wires behind the plugs, so i need to figure out somethign to wire in my radio...it was a long trip home just listening to the car. I was also wondering what your temp gauges average, in varryuing loads just to make sure mine wasn't running hot.
Thanks
TJ
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I have checked my temp gauge with a digital thermometer to find out what temp is what, and 90C is approximately between the 2nd and 3rd line from the right of the temp gauge. (its closer to the 2nd line though)
If I were to beat on it, or go up a hill it would easily reach the 2nd line and hover a little bit on it, then fans kick in and it would be steady.
Diesels take quite a while to heat up. I can drive about 3-5 or so km (even with a 30 sec warmup) and the car won't be at 90C. Very thermally efficient motors :)
Of course on a hot day it would probably take half the time to heat up. If your car overheats in traffic then you just need to check your wiring. I have had quite a few of the wires for my fan corrode (different speed settings, etc). All 3 speeds for my fan work, including a/c, lo+hi. One way quick way of checking if your fan works, turn the car on and jump the temp sensor (remove the harness going to the temp sensor at bottom of rad on driver side)
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Thanks... my temp usually runs about vertical, not sure how many lines off the top of my head. If i beat on it it'll climb up almost a line past the vertical mark,to the right (in town driving) I'll check into the temp sensor too test mine
What are some wheel options, i would like to pick up some cheap rims that look decent (probably used) and i need tires so i was hoping to do it prior to the tire change. I know they need to stay stock size but not sure if there are some i think audi rims that bolt up or something... they looked decent if i can remember correctly
Thanks for all the help
TJ
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Your temp gauge sounds to stay right where mine is. If it ever shoots up on you check the coolant level.
I don't think Audi wheels fit, I think they are 4X108 and you need 4X100. You also need hubcentric wheels so its best to get vw rims or centering caps.
You don't necessarily have to stay with the same sized tire, a larger rim with a smaller profile will keep your speedo accurate.
I'd recommend some nice light wheels
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anyone know any good combos that look well, or any vw rims that are easily found but still look better than having hub caps? And lighter would be good too, less rotating mass right...
Thanks
TJ
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There are indeed some Audi rims that will work on your car. The FWD Audi 4000 and coupe until 1983/4 had rims that were 4 x 100. After that they switched to 4 x 108 like burn_your_money said.
I've run the Audi "Ronal" rims on my rabbit before. They're pretty light and I like the way they look. The offset is 5 or 7mm off, but they still work fine. As far as other combo's, the 14" "snowflake" rim found on rabbit GTI's, Golfs, cabriolets and Quantums is a nice, strong, relatively light rim... plus there are plenty of them.
There are a bunch of other stock VW alloy rims that would be options for you... bottlecaps are pretty light and so are the stock scirocco 13" alloys (a bit funky looking though). Teardrops (later A2's) are pretty heavy in comparison and so are stock 14" steel wheels. I'd check your local yards and see what's around. More info can probably be found on the _vortex about this...
There's also the possibility of going aftermarket. There are a TON of rims made in 4 x 100 that are light choices... I've got AR-24's (possibly from a Toyota Corolla) on my caddy right now and they're REALLY light. Suprisingly light, really...