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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: vwsb1974 on December 02, 2013, 05:01:43 pm
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I have a 1.6 N/A with a fresh rebuild. It has new rings, bearings, high pressure oil pump, new h2o pump, new giles injectors, arp head studs, timing belt. I has just over 1,000 miles since rebuild it is running good. I want to get a turbo engine. So I was just wondering what these go for.
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How much did you spend on the rebuild? That might be a good starting point.
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good point but I did most of the work myself. Tell you the truth I don't know how much I have in it I was buying a bunch of stuff for the car. I just was looking for what they sell for not what people are asking for them
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I think it is tough depending on location everything changes. You could buy one for dirt in one part of the world in the next spend gold. I have seen it as cheap as 150.00 and as expensive as 2500. USD. Personally I wouldn't give a ton for one as you never know what has been done or how good they were at doing it. That said if it is running great and you did everything in the entire engine, I wouldn't think 1,000 would be out of line, on the flip side it is only a 1.6 na, so 500.00 isn't out of line either.
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"rebuilt" has always been a dirty word to me with VW diesels. Enough that I still never look at a car or a motor past when I see that word.
Reasoning is that, in the past anyway, the cost for parts and machine work were way, way out of line with what the vehicle containing the motor
was worth, so most folks/shops short-cutted them one way or another(or several ways).
This has changed to a degree re: the value of the vehicles so it's possible more effort/money is put into some of them these days,
and there are the enthusiast exception and such of course. But as a rule of thumb it's held up.
I would be as specific as possible about what was done, how, by who, and how it's performed and for how long since.
If it can be heard to start and run, all the better. All that said, yeah, $500 to $1500 all depending.
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i think 500-1500 is fair, and i agree, if u can start it and run it(from cold) it definitely adds value imo. i was recently looking for a 1.6, and theres alot of them out there but its really hard to tell what you're getting, just for starters alot of people don't even know how to work on them. One guy told me he had a rebuilt 1.6(still in car) that he wanted to sell, but when i showed up to look at it, the engine was already warmed up(not that i blame him we met in a public place) but he also had no receipts for any of the work. If i can't see what was done i don't care if it was rebuilt, im only going to judge it on blowby, how it starts, and how it drives at that point. that particular guy told me hed call me when he had the receipts but i never heard back haha.
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Mine is running good just some slight oil leak from the head gasket (see my other post) I'm in southern Georgia so I have not had many cold mornings yet but I did get a 27degree morning and it started good. I think I'm going to put it up for sale after the holidays. I really want a turbo but I don't want to just convert this one I want a true turbo engine. Quality German has a few for around $1500 so that is why I'm asking about price. The shipping is what gets you thoe. The last one I got from him was $350 to ship to me. :(
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Wolf Walker speakum good wordums.
Listen, if you do buy from Quality, please let us know exactly what you get from them (the true condition of the product). I have been tempted in the past, but as you say, the freight is the deal breaker. When he cranks those engines up on youtube, do you really think you are viewing the initial, cold start taking place? I always look for a can of ether somewhere in the background. Not sure what the h3ll to believe.
Funny thing how that guy can go go Germany and find such an inordinate number of engines at that magic (what is it?) 67,000 mile mark. Hmmmm.....must be magic. ;) :-[
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I bought the one in my car from him and it was fine. after a few months it had a oil leak and I called him and he sent me the parts to fix it. I had a good experence with him that is why I am looking in getting another one from him. The engine starts fine even in the cold.
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Wolf Walker speakum good wordums.
Listen, if you do buy from Quality, please let us know exactly what you get from them (the true condition of the product). I have been tempted in the past, but as you say, the freight is the deal breaker. When he cranks those engines up on youtube, do you really think you are viewing the initial, cold start taking place? I always look for a can of ether somewhere in the background. Not sure what the h3ll to believe.
Funny thing how that guy can go go Germany and find such an inordinate number of engines at that magic (what is it?) 67,000 mile mark. Hmmmm.....must be magic. ;) :-[
hahaha!!! some junkyards don't have any engines with more than 60k on them either. i'd care more to see compression numbers than mileage tho.
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I've worked in salvage, both generic and specific niche cars, for over a decade now.
The only one that wasn't full of crap on mileage was the big corporate yard that tied a stock number and a VIN number
to the part so they could track profits/sales, and it worked really well.
All the rest sort make it up as they go along. The good ones don't try and sell junk, it's a bummer when it comes back and not productive in
the long run. But most of them, if a motor runs good or ought to run good(car was in a wreck, it had to be driving right?), it'll have whatever miles they think it needs to have to sell it, and
deal with any problems after the deal is closed. One junkyard-secret is pick a mileage or two and use them consistently,
so you don't screw up and forget what mileage you told a person it was when making a quote.
Heartwarming, ain't it. The saga of MotorMiester is a good example about time and success not equaling any sort of
integrity these days, look it up for a good/sad read.
I've heard varying things about Quality German, could have sworn they were shutting down awhile ago but maybe
it was someone else.
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I think a good running used engine, with the injection pump, vacuum pump and alternator stuff is worth around $600.
A rebuilt with 1200 on it would get you more if it was in a running car but it's probably worth $1200 with accessories.
I'd turbo it anyway, the little 1.5 VNT-15 I had did fine without oil squirters. It did have an oil cooler.
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Yes, I was being serious about finding out all I can about Quality's offerings.
In my part of the world, all this VW diesel stuff has long since gone to the crusher. I may need to score something from the man at Quality (forgot his first name) at some future point. I have spoken with him on the tele a couple of times. He seems personable and somewhat guarded as I would suspect. I would have purchased an engine or two from him in the past if I could physically pick it up at this facility.
Does anybody have any experience with Quality's rebuilt heads? I also see that he readily has the KS pistons as well.
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I bought a 1X engine code (1.9L n/a IDI) intake manifold from Quality: good price, quick delivery, and looked like it was very lightly used. YMMV
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Isn't the NA 1.9 IDI called a 1y block?
How much for the intake?,... if it's the one I'm thinking.
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I think the 1X and 1Y intake manifolds are pretty similar, though the 1X has only one port for a pcv input that actually matches up with a stock 1.6 PCV puck and hose. IIRC, the 1Y has a passageway cast into the manifold and some other flanges, etc.
I know for a fact that the 1X intake manifold when used in a transverse way on a caddy, puts the aircleaner connection on the passenger side, so its nice for an aftermarket cone filter after relocating the fuel filter forward on the fender.
Cost was $65-75 and he wasn't too keen on removing from one of his 1.9 n/a engines tho...
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i think 500-1500 is fair, and i agree, if u can start it and run it(from cold) it definitely adds value imo. i was recently looking for a 1.6, and theres alot of them out there but its really hard to tell what you're getting, just for starters alot of people don't even know how to work on them. One guy told me he had a rebuilt 1.6(still in car) that he wanted to sell, but when i showed up to look at it, the engine was already warmed up(not that i blame him we met in a public place) but he also had no receipts for any of the work. If i can't see what was done i don't care if it was rebuilt, im only going to judge it on blowby, how it starts, and how it drives at that point. that particular guy told me hed call me when he had the receipts but i never heard back haha.
he also didn't want to drive it because supposedly the alternator wasn't working so he was going to call me when that was fixed... suspicious imo, so when he didn't call me back i didn't worry about it.
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Isn't the NA 1.9 IDI called a 1y block?
How much for the intake?,... if it's the one I'm thinking.
Some of them are EGR, mine is but it was cheap and the only one I could lay hands on at the time.
None of the ebay guys in europe ever respond even though they list worldwide shipping.
I wouldn't pay more than $75 for one. I think I tried quality german and they were out
back when I was looking.
Also worth noting, the EGR version was FILTHY, like the TDI's get with EGR. Bare that in mind on cost, it
took hours to clean the damn thing.
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Yes, I was being serious about finding out all I can about Quality's offerings.
In my part of the world, all this VW diesel stuff has long since gone to the crusher. I may need to score something from the man at Quality (forgot his first name) at some future point. I have spoken with him on the tele a couple of times. He seems personable and somewhat guarded as I would suspect. I would have purchased an engine or two from him in the past if I could physically pick it up at this facility.
Does anybody have any experience with Quality's rebuilt heads? I also see that he readily has the KS pistons as well.
You can import stuff yourself from a guy named "frans" on tdi club probably a lot cheaper than that guy at quality. He mostly does swap kits for b5s and audis but im sure he can get anything. FWIW though in europe most cars have low miles because a long commute in germany is a couple miles.. Think about driving from say atlanta to la in europe that equal to driving from paris to israel or something. Frans does complete b5 swaps for like 2500 bucks shipped.