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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: TUFFY on January 26, 2013, 08:39:34 pm
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Hi, Can a Garrett TB036 Volvo turbo be used to make a T3/T4 turbo? I have a couple of old TO4 turbos for the compressor side.
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Yeah it's a .48 exhaust housing but they have kind of a weird flqnge
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OK thanks, I bought one cheap but its not here yet. Is the .48 housing to small on a 1.6 with ported head in a pulling tractor? I am more worried about mid/top end power so I don't want to choke it off.
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Yeah .48 should be just about what ud want atleast out of the T3 family they're supposed to be good for about 300hp on a gasser. The compressor is quite good too actually. I don't think if build a hybrid if I were u I'd just try that turbo straight it's good for 30 psi and flows about 270hp for a gas engine do not quite as much on a diesel but still very good. Or go for what alcaif suggests, which is probably one of the best turbos for a performance vw diesel, get a holset he221w. Anti surge housing and billet compressor wheel 360 degree thrust bearing and a compressor map that flows to 350hp for a gasser and also to 45 psi.
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Thanks for the help. Is a HE221W a hard turbo to find used? I assume the TBO3 would be better than the K26-6 I have now?
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thats hard to say. it looks like the k26 flows more but the volvo turbo seems to be more efficient in the range you'd probably need it to to be. it's one of those things you'd have to try to see which actually worked better.
(http://gallery.rennlist.com/albums/albuq72/k26.jpg)
he221w i see on ebay occassionally, alcaid recommended use alibaba to buy them new they're really cheap there since they come straight from the manufacture in china, u just have to be leary of knock offs.
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I also found a place that makes a .63 turbine housing for that Holset H1C turbo I have, but it is close to $200. I have no idea if that would be worth a try also. I will just have to try different things like you said.
Will a stock NA 1.6 pump with main gov spring shimmed and fuel turned up just below rpm hanging make decent power?
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I also found a place that makes a .63 turbine housing for that Holset H1C turbo I have, but it is close to $200. I have no idea if that would be worth a try also. I will just have to try different things like you said.
Will a stock NA 1.6 pump with main gov spring shimmed and fuel turned up just below rpm hanging make decent power?
i would think your h1c already has a compressor inducer larger than 2" i don't see the point of the .63 compressor? is h1c's too large stock? i don't think h1c would work well except in compound.
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The H1C i have is smaller than 2" at face of the wheel. I think it is 46mmX83mm compressor. They make a .63 exhaust housing for the H1C. It has a huge housing on it now.
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If that's the size of it that's an odd compressor but should be really good for high boost and about 300hp, but I'd buy an he221w before I spent the money on that housing
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OK that makes sence. Any idea how much boost the Volvo turbo could make with a TO4B compressor on it?
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OK that makes sence. Any idea how much boost the Volvo turbo could make with a TO4B compressor on it?
which to4b? i googled to4b compressor map, none of them look like they will work very well.
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Not sure, Would I be better off using the T3 as the small turbo and the K26 as the big turbo on a two turbo setup? I have no clue how to size the turbos for that. If I do should I leave the waste gate in the T3 in case I need to control the boost on a two turbo setup?
After thinking about it I guess a internal waste gate probably wouldn't work since the by-passed exhaust would go into the next turbo.
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Will a stock NA 1.6 pump with main gov spring shimmed and fuel turned up just below rpm hanging make decent power?
Are you under any sort of class regulations?? Not that it matters, people have run 195whp on the 9mm 1.6 pumps... RETARDED!
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Our pumps have more than enough flow for these engines anyways lol
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Will a stock NA 1.6 pump with main gov spring shimmed and fuel turned up just below rpm hanging make decent power?
Are you under any sort of class regulations?? Not that it matters, people have run 195whp on the 9mm 1.6 pumps... RETARDED!
I can run two turbos with a 2" max compressor wheel measured at the face of the wheel. It have a air to water intercooler I am going to pump ice water through it. I can run up to a 2.4 liter diesel.
I will be running against 2.3 turbo Fords, One has two Honda 4 cylinder Goldwing engines on alcohol, one has two huge snowmobile engines. So I am going to have to push a 1.6 pretty hard to compete.
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OK that makes sence. Any idea how much boost the Volvo turbo could make with a TO4B compressor on it?
which to4b? i googled to4b compressor map, none of them look like they will work very well.
why do you want a T4 compressor on a T3 turbine?
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I thought the T3/T4 turbos were the hot setup?
Will the extra volume of the intercooler change anything as far as turbo sizing goes?
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Wouldn't a T3/T4 move more air than a straight T3? Or will the bigger compressor just slow down the shaft speed and come out about the same?
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Will a stock NA 1.6 pump with main gov spring shimmed and fuel turned up just below rpm hanging make decent power?
Are you under any sort of class regulations?? Not that it matters, people have run 195whp on the 9mm 1.6 pumps... RETARDED!
I can run two turbos with a 2" max compressor wheel measured at the face of the wheel. It have a air to water intercooler I am going to pump ice water through it. I can run up to a 2.4 liter diesel.
I will be running against 2.3 turbo Fords, One has two Honda 4 cylinder Goldwing engines on alcohol, one has two huge snowmobile engines. So I am going to have to push a 1.6 pretty hard to compete.
i don't think a 1.6 could ever be competitive against bigger displacement engines like that. even a tdi would be a real challenge imo
can't say if t3/k26 would be a good combo tho, its something u'd have to try and see.
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Deep down I am thinking the same thing. Probably get my butt handed to me.
It will be fun to try though,,,
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Deep down I am thinking the same thing. Probably get my butt handed to me.
It will be fun to try though,,,
theres actually a local guy around here that runs a k26/6 which is off a porsche 944 right? its on a 1.6td in a mk2 coupe with h beam rods and an intercooler. im hoping to go check this car out sometime soon, my friend said it runs really good hopefully i can let you know. the way for you to be competitive would definitely be compounds its the only way ur going to be able to move as much as them to make a similar amount of power, but ull need a really well sorted setup keeping drive pressures and such in check. andy2 could probably help you alot.
u figure a 2.3 ford could easily make what ever power is possible from a 50.8mm inlet which i would guess is close to 400hp, which is a number i doubt is possible with a 1.6 with out heavy heavy mods. maybe if you pulled a piston from each 1.6 so u'd have 2 1.2's making 2.4 liters then you could be competitive, and also weird at the same time haha.
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Deep down I am thinking the same thing. Probably get my butt handed to me.
It will be fun to try though,,,
why not start with a 4D55 mitsubishi, or a SD25 nissan diesel?
they are both under your 2.4L limit, both are turbo'd, and both are TOUGH..
the old saying comes into play here...
"there is no replacement for displacement"
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My original plan was a 2.4 Volvo D24. But didn't have any luck finding one cheap enough and not a million miles away. Someone suggested a 2.2 mer benz also. Already has inline bosch pump.
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My original plan was a 2.4 Volvo D24. But didn't have any luck finding one cheap enough and not a million miles away. Someone suggested a 2.2 mer benz also. Already has inline bosch pump.
why not a 2.4 benz? the 2.2 is a MUCH older engine, found in the old 70s 220D's
the 240D's all had OM616 2.4L 4 bangers..
non turbo, but one can be added EASILY..
inline pump, yes, and they take the same STYLE of injectors that we run..
cant believe i didnt think about that the first time i posted..
the VW D24 would be the best bet tho, because of the torque native to the inline 6..
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What about the OM 606...like in black smoke racings station wagon?
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I will try the 1.6 before I change engines. I got the Volvo turbo, in good shape except turbine housing is cracked all over the place.
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I have my 1.6 short block together. Nothing fancy or high buck for now. :) just a hone job, new rings, and bearings. Pistons a little loose but don't think it will be a problem in a pulling tractor. Two are .003" and two are .004" for clearance. I would rather be a little loose then to tight and score a piston.
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What about the OM 606...like in black smoke racings station wagon?
3 liter 6 banger tho isnt it?
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I have my 1.6 short block together. Nothing fancy or high buck for now. :) just a hone job, new rings, and bearings. Pistons a little loose but don't think it will be a problem in a pulling tractor. Two are .003" and two are .004" for clearance. I would rather be a little loose then to tight and score a piston.
Make sure it is plenty warm when you pull, should be OK
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Does the 1.9 IDI engines have the same bellhousing pattern and flywheel bolt pattern and the 1.6 IDI? I am having a steel flywheel made for my 1.6. If a 1.9 would be a bolt in I might try and find one down the line. Don't know how hard they are to come by in the US though.
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Yes.
The flywheel bolts to the pressure plate, pressure plate to the crank on the 1.6 and 1.9, but yes. The 1.9 will have a bigger PP and flywheel than the 1.6. BUT that is just how it came stock, you can swap the 1.9 parts onto the 1.6 or the other way.
so yes
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Does the 1.9 IDI engines have the same bellhousing pattern and flywheel bolt pattern and the 1.6 IDI? I am having a steel flywheel made for my 1.6. If a 1.9 would be a bolt in I might try and find one down the line. Don't know how hard they are to come by in the US though.
i would have it made for a 210mm clutch..
1.6s only came with a 200mm clutch and pressure plate..
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I have a clutch, flywheel, bellhousing, 3 speed trans, starter for those old Ford 170 cubic inch inline 6 motors adapted to my 1.6.
Rules say steel flywheel so a guy is making me a steel one just like the Ford flywheel but with a VW bolt pattern and hole to fit VW crank. With a little work I got the real Ford flywheel to fit the VW. Its amazing how close they are to each other.
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I have a clutch, flywheel, bellhousing, 3 speed trans, starter for those old Ford 170 cubic inch inline 6 motors adapted to my 1.6.
Rules say steel flywheel so a guy is making me a steel one just like the Ford flywheel but with a VW bolt pattern and hole to fit VW crank. With a little work I got the real Ford flywheel to fit the VW. Its amazing how close they are to each other.
same deal with toyota flywheels onto a VW.. very close to fitting already..
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The Ford has a 8.5" clutch, I hope its big enough.
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8.5" = about 216 mm, so a little bigger than stock 1.9. As long as the clutch material and pressure plate can hold then you are hopefuly fine.
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The pressure plate had 6 springs in it originally. I took it apart and put 9 big block Buick valve springs in it. There was 3 spots made for springs but didn't have any. The Buick springs also have a little more pressure than the original springs. So it has allot more pressure than before.
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I think I wondered off the original topic lol.
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I think I wondered off the original topic lol.
hahahaha, i love this forum!
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Any one have a Garrett TB03 turbine housing laying around?
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Any one have a Garrett TB03 turbine housing laying around?
Which one
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.48
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I have one from a Volvo with the waste gate and everything u can have it for 5 bucks plus shipping
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It is kind of sort of t3 flanged. T3 bolt pattern but Volvo put a weird circle shape to it
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The turbo I have is a Volvo one. The housing has a bunch of big cracks in it.
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It is kind of sort of t3 flanged. T3 bolt pattern but Volvo put a weird circle shape to it
its not the same pattern.. the ones i have, are about a half a bolt hole off from standard T3..
if you are making an adapter, it wont be a problem tho..
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bolt pattern won't be a problem,,,