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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: masterbeavis on January 10, 2013, 07:28:05 pm
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My 1.6NA typical complaint, no power etc. An AAZ isn't in my budget, but found a 1.9NA and 5 speed for $1200. I can get it cheaper, but I'm debating its worth. How much better is a NA 1.9 over a 1.6? I know the 1.9 is turbo ready, but until that falls in my lap, will I still hate life with the bigger motor?
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I would think a Caddy weighs less than a Jetta right? I had no complaints of no power in my Jetta when it was 1.6NA, yeah it was slow-ish.. but it only had 52 hp..
What have you done to this engine? There is a bunch of free stuff you can do to increase power. I would suggest looking at that, and saving the money you have so that you can buy a 1.9TD.. You will hate life if you drop the cash on another NON TURBO.
I would NOT, ABSOLUTELY NOT drop anywhere near $1000 for a 1.9 NON TURBO, no way in hell.
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I am pretty happy with my 1.6na after some engine work, obviously not breaking any records but I get along just fine. I second the thought to work with the engine you already have before dumping money on another engine ,especially another non turbo....
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I would buy the N/A 1.9. It is fully functional I am assuming. Running with trans offer him 800. and then when you can add a turbo. The added benefit to it is you can turn it into a TDI when the rebuild time comes. M-TDI that is. I would think that the 1.9L should give you much more low end and more overall power, same mods applied. Save up a few hundred and get a turbo later.
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I dunno if its $800 worth of more torque though.. But I bet AAZ's are hard to find in Cali...
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1.9 is 18.75% more than 1.6.
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Yeah, I would keep the 1.6 and use it for spare when the 1.9 needed turned into an M-TDI. But yes, 1.9 is bigger and more options. IF you can get it cheap then I would.
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1.9 non-turbo rods are different and so for the mTDI transformation you'd need rods, pistons, head, pump, pump bracket, timing covers, injectors.
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http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=32671.0
1200.... hmmm look at link... read my pots made, or hillfdolk at m conversion...
sorry.. i have to pimp it... tdi... 02a... sorry.. why piss away 1200 when his 1500 better deal... if anything... see why shop around... not that great a deal..
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ya, I seen that $1500 TDI, but here is my problem. That $1200 motor and tranny I know I can get for less than a grand, and its local. That TDI is in New York, and it will tack on another $300 or more to ship, which doubles my budget for this build.
AAZ engines are not very common in CA for less than $2500.
My Caddy is used in the hills, and carries around 800# worth of extra weight(work tools) taller tires, 3.6something ring and pinion and has a euro shell that adds to the drag of the vehicle. On flat land it is a tolerable setup, but when I have to do a hill start, or climb a long grade it is embarrasing to wind er up to 4K and sloooowly let the clutch out till it stalls or find its sweet spot at 35MPH where it will not get hot. I had chosen my engine poorly, but for a $150 field rescue (the entire truck) at the time I could not complain. Diesel was cheap back then...
Isn't a 1.9 NA an AAZ minus the go anywhere any time soon goodies? I know I will stumble across a nice turbo someday.
A friend of mine in Canada showed me pictures of 3 MK3's with AAZ/5 speed combos in them at his buddies car death storage yard. They were all there because of rust. Before I could arrange anything, everything got crushed. I wanted to cry. Car bodies went up $30 a ton and it was time to clean house :(
With the price of fuel being about .50-70 cents cheaper than gasoline, I am not saving any money at 35 MPG vs a gas motor getting 25-28. I have a 2.0 and a 2.8 I've been eyeballing as swap candidates, but I know it would take me a million years to get around to getting my truck back on the road.
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Purely opinion, but I think you'd get more for less turboing what you have.
I still did the 4000 RPM stall thing once in awhile even after my +T though
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i vote to turbo what ya got..
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1.9 non-turbo rods are different and so for the mTDI transformation you'd need rods, pistons, head, pump, pump bracket, timing covers, injectors.
I was thinking that was the industrial engine, sorry. I guess it would depend on what the engine code of the 1.9 you are getting. Also, a turbo can be had usually under 500.00 for all needed, so with what the others said you could do that too.
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the 1Y engine code 1.9 n/a is a brilliant engine. Updated bearings from the aaz for the piston pins, but it still has all the turbo necessities like oil jets for the pistons. On top of that you get a fantastic intake manifold to boot:
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u139/gldgti/P1010515.jpg)
pic showing standard GT-15 from an aaz fitted, upside down. Iether way off boost its pretty torqey still ( i have a switch for the turbo so I can turn it off, so to speak, by opening the WG) and it makes a great turbo engine.
With a front mount intercooler and nice exhaust I have dialled the turbo back to just 14psi because anything more and I get too much clutch burning torque - this setup really needs an 02a gearbox if you want to pull the tar off the road. As it is its 0-100 in about 8.5 seconds and I get 5.5l/100km at 120km/h or my wife gets about 4.8l/100km at slower ;-)
If I leave the turbo switch off, 0-100 is about 12 seconds. The car used to have a 1.5D and 0-100 then was about 16 seconds.
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The car used to have a 1.5D and 0-100 then was about 16 seconds.
Wow, my old 1.6D was 22.5 seconds 0-100 km/h.
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There is a guy who sells AAZ (turbo & naturals) in CA for the last 10 years or more. Short Blocks, Long-blocks and Complete drop in engines. They are take-outs from low mileage Germany origin cars. He sells engines and transmissions.
Bought from him and am very pleased.
I dunno if its $800 worth of more torque though.. But I bet AAZ's are hard to find in Cali...
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The car used to have a 1.5D and 0-100 then was about 16 seconds.
Wow, my old 1.6D was 22.5 seconds 0-100 km/h.
i was going to say that is pretty damn fast for an na diesel. im sure my rabbit can't do that. but i agree with others, a small turbo install will probably cost you half as much and give you results that are just as well. a nice little intercooler and you shouldn't have to worry about power or over heating.
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The car used to have a 1.5D and 0-100 then was about 16 seconds.
Wow, my old 1.6D was 22.5 seconds 0-100 km/h.
i was going to say that is pretty damn fast for an na diesel. im sure my rabbit can't do that. but i agree with others, a small turbo install will probably cost you half as much and give you results that are just as well. a nice little intercooler and you shouldn't have to worry about power or over heating.
That sounds about right for a mild tuned 1.5D.
What US car did the 1.9N/A come in? I thought all North American 1.9's were AAZs or TDIs.
*Edit* Oh, and I think you'll probably regret it. 63bhp vs. 69bhp from a 1.6TD for less money.
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We didn't even get the AAZ. The only 1.9 displacement diesels we got are TDIs; 1Z, AHU, ALH, pumpe düse, that's it.
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James T, 69hp from a stock TD.. way easier to bump them up quite a bit with near free mods.
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There is a guy who sells AAZ (turbo & naturals) in CA for the last 10 years or more. Short Blocks, Long-blocks and Complete drop in engines. They are take-outs from low mileage Germany origin cars. He sells engines and transmissions.
Bought from him and am very pleased.
I dunno if its $800 worth of more torque though.. But I bet AAZ's are hard to find in Cali...
I have heard that the guy you speak of, quality then German then autoparts in southern california has done some people dirty. His feedback on ebay is good but if you read reviews in the yellow pages, people think less than stellar things about him.
that is where the 1.9 I am considering buying came from.
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that is where the 1.9 I am considering buying came from.
Then buy one with a Turbo attached to it ;)
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I got my AAZ from Quality German Auto. $2700 + I bought a new German water pump & tensioner. I did it because there were no other options for getting a low mileage AAZ motor. He had plenty of motors to choose from & you could see them run on youtube before purchasing. I'm not trying to act as a sales person. He was very personable & seemed like an honest guy. He did recommend just putting it straight in, but I know better than that with ANY used motor. I wanted some of that 'free' HP & to go through it to make sure everything was all on the up n up, and it mostly was. Just like any motor that has been run for almost 60,000 mi, I expected some of the parts to be gunked up & they were, especially the EGR. I plan to rectify all the things & put it n clean, drive it easy for a long time. Who knows what will really happen?
But fully back on topic, I would not go back to an NA.
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From what I've read the 1.9 has a better torque curve (lower) than the 1.6 by a good bit. If you don't buy the 1.9NA send me a pm and let me buy it. I agree with most of the suggestions on here though. The the 1.6, if it hasn't been modified already, might get you over the hills well enough after a little tweaking to keep you satisfied.
I just live about 5 hours from you up 101. If you don't buy the 1.9NA send me a pm and let me buy it. I'd buy from the place down in LA but its way to far to drive...on top of the prices he wants/needs.
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The car used to have a 1.5D and 0-100 then was about 16 seconds.
Wow, my old 1.6D was 22.5 seconds 0-100 km/h.
my 1.5d was fast too, even before it had a turbo..
it ran REALLY good for a n/a...
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The car used to have a 1.5D and 0-100 then was about 16 seconds.
Wow, my old 1.6D was 22.5 seconds 0-100 km/h.
It wasnt too bad - I'd turned the fuel up a lot, had a bigger air intake and it was infront of an AUG trans (stock mk1 90's cabby trans) which has close 3/4/5 gears. actually that trans really suits an n/a 1.5 excpet when you are on the highway. Accelerates well though.
Anyway, of the 5 odd 1.5D's that I've had, that particular one was by far the best. I think it was just 'right'... like compression, valve seats, balancing, etc.
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The car used to have a 1.5D and 0-100 then was about 16 seconds.
Wow, my old 1.6D was 22.5 seconds 0-100 km/h.
It wasnt too bad - I'd turned the fuel up a lot, had a bigger air intake and it was infront of an AUG trans (stock mk1 90's cabby trans) which has close 3/4/5 gears. actually that trans really suits an n/a 1.5 excpet when you are on the highway. Accelerates well though.
Anyway, of the 5 odd 1.5D's that I've had, that particular one was by far the best. I think it was just 'right'... like compression, valve seats, balancing, etc.
i LOVED my AUG attached to my diesel engine.. it REALLY ripped with that trans.. but the ACN trans is nicer to drive on the highway..
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I am running an AUG Trans jus by coincidence, it makes in town driving tolerable but in the hills it seems like I need to downshift two gears at once to maintain speed. I thought about a .71 5th swap but the truck has a hard enough time with the .89 OD it has now. It could be my flatland coast down hill gear maybe?
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I am running an AUG Trans jus by coincidence, it makes in town driving tolerable but in the hills it seems like I need to downshift two gears at once to maintain speed. I thought about a .71 5th swap but the truck has a hard enough time with the .89 OD it has now. It could be my flatland coast down hill gear maybe?
a .71 5th gear will suck in an AUG trans, it will be a HUGE jump from 4th to 5th.. its a pretty big jump from 4th to 5th in an ACN, and they came with a .75 5th gear.. the AUG has a LOWER 4th gear, so the jump will be EVEN BIGGER!
if you have trouble maintaining speed as it is, making your truck even MORE gutless doesnt sound like a very good idea..
how often are you coasting down hill? having a gear specifically for coasting, makes no sense to me..
you just need more power.. i have an ACN trans behind my diesel.. i can still go up hills however fast i want..
can hit a hill @ 40mph, spool up the boost, and be going 90 at the top, all while leaving it in 5th gear.
boost is boobs!
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Yea, I have avoided doing anything to the truck as of yet. One thing will get cancelled by another. For now I'm going to sit tight, bills have eaten up my project money for now. :(
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Yea, I have avoided doing anything to the truck as of yet. One thing will get cancelled by another. For now I'm going to sit tight, bills have eaten up my project money for now. :(
rather than buying a 1.9 n/a, why dont you just boost your 1.6? you will be more satisfied when you get done too..
plus, it will get better economy as well, with the 1.6, over the 1.9..
and it will be more fun to turbo-swap the 1.6, and you should be able to get all the turbo bits for ALOT less than the cost of a 1.9 IDI..
or is your 1.6 just plain worn out?
if your engine is 100% stock as of now, there is even substantial power to be had, just with mods to your existing engine and hardware..
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It's a low mile crate motor from VW with 12mm head bolts.
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It's a low mile crate motor from VW with 12mm head bolts.
damn junior, turbo that shizz!!
the stock head gasket and bolts are good for up to 20psi reliably..
usually the turbo is the limitation, not the engine ;D
im running a GT2056V on a 1.6n/a engine in my 92 Jetta, and ive been running it like this for quite some time..
the engine has probably had boost for 50-60k miles now, and still runs great..