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Title: Oil Filter Bracket Choke plug - Missing
Post by: erice1984 on January 02, 2012, 10:57:37 am
Hi guys, I am rebuilding an AAZ engine, and I have noticed that my oil filter housing/bracket does not have the "choke" part (refer to picture) in it.  I don't recall removing this part while dissembling the engine.  Is this a vital part? Also does anyone know what would happen if I didn't replace it?

(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/8844/oilfilterbracketpage1.jpg)

Thanks
-Eric
Title: Re: Oil Filter Bracket Choke plug - Missing
Post by: theman53 on January 02, 2012, 12:47:42 pm
Good question, I just took apart an aaz and it didn't have anything in it either. Being that it is fine thread by the notes I wonder if "choke" means plug and it is for only some engines?
Title: Re: Oil Filter Bracket Choke plug - Missing
Post by: erice1984 on January 02, 2012, 01:33:32 pm
Good question, I just took apart an aaz and it didn't have anything in it either. Being that it is fine thread by the notes I wonder if "choke" means plug and it is for only some engines?

Possibly.  It looks as if it would be hollow in the middle, Just a cylinder that narrows the passage "choking."  Thereby reducing the volume of oil that can pass through.

Was the AAZ ever made non-turbo and still designated the "AAZ" engine code?   My reason for asking this is that the passage that this "choke" affects is for the turbo oil feed.  If there are non-turbo factory AAZ engines then the "choke" may very well be a plug, stopping the flow of oil through that passage (the turbo oil feed line)
Title: Re: Oil Filter Bracket Choke plug - Missing
Post by: theman53 on January 02, 2012, 02:42:59 pm
I think that there was. 2 of the aaz engines I have didn't have a turbo pump. You would have to ask the Canadians for sure, but I think they did come N/A.
Title: Re: Oil Filter Bracket Choke plug - Missing
Post by: erice1984 on January 02, 2012, 04:06:39 pm
What I just noticed on my oil filter bracket, I have part number 053115417A Which is the part number for ABA, ACC engines...   So, what now?
Title: Re: Oil Filter Bracket Choke plug - Missing
Post by: burn_your_money on January 02, 2012, 06:55:12 pm
I think you Americans with the industrial 1.9s would be better to answer the non turbo AAZs. In vehicles, the AAZ was never installed without a turbo in North America. I am pretty sure I have read about some 1.9s without turbos in industrial applications in the states but I don't know if they were marked as AAZs.
Title: Re: Oil Filter Bracket Choke plug - Missing
Post by: erice1984 on January 02, 2012, 07:07:03 pm
I think you Americans with the industrial 1.9s would be better to answer the non turbo AAZs. In vehicles, the AAZ was never installed without a turbo in North America. I am pretty sure I have read about some 1.9s without turbos in industrial applications in the states but I don't know if they were marked as AAZs.

In that case, I wouldn't expect them to be marked AAZ either.  I just wonder if anyone else, with an AAZ, can verify what oil filter bracket their engine is running,  I have money in this rebuild and don't want to chance trashing it.
Title: Re: Oil Filter Bracket Choke plug - Missing
Post by: J Z on January 02, 2012, 07:38:24 pm
No such thing in my AAZ either


As a sidenote.. The only 1.9 industrial engines (In my list) have these markings

Code   size   KW/hp      install notes

ADE   1.9   55/75         TD - Industrial
ADG   1.9   47/64         N/A - Industrial

Title: Re: Oil Filter Bracket Choke plug - Missing
Post by: Vitwagen on January 03, 2012, 10:50:25 am
I've had 2 AAZ and neither had the choke, but I did buy an oil filter housing from an AHU, and that DID have the choke in the turbo oil feed. It's wound deep into the feed passage in the housing.

It's essentially a large grub screw, with a 1.5mm (ish) hole through it to restrict flow to the turbo.


There was a 1.9NA in the UK, in Mk3 golfs - engine code 1y.

HTH
Title: Re: Oil Filter Bracket Choke plug - Missing
Post by: R.O.R-2.0 on January 03, 2012, 11:04:29 am
yea, most of the engines ive seen with that restrictor, were TDI engines. doesnt a TDI filter flange fit on an AAZ?
Title: Re: Oil Filter Bracket Choke plug - Missing
Post by: Vitwagen on January 03, 2012, 01:43:37 pm
yea, most of the engines ive seen with that restrictor, were TDI engines. doesnt a TDI filter flange fit on an AAZ?

Yes, but I couldn't say what car my AHU filter flange came from, as it's got the filter mounted at 45 degrees  (which I needed to clear my engine mount) - I bought it off ebay.

I'll double check my old filter brackets, as one was from a late AAZ (UK).
Title: Re: Oil Filter Bracket Choke plug - Missing
Post by: R.O.R-2.0 on January 04, 2012, 11:00:47 am
yea, most of the engines ive seen with that restrictor, were TDI engines. doesnt a TDI filter flange fit on an AAZ?

Yes, but I couldn't say what car my AHU filter flange came from, as it's got the filter mounted at 45 degrees  (which I needed to clear my engine mount) - I bought it off ebay.

I'll double check my old filter brackets, as one was from a late AAZ (UK).

im gonna say a passat or something with a longitudinal engine..
Title: Re: Oil Filter Bracket Choke plug - Missing
Post by: Vitwagen on January 04, 2012, 03:34:46 pm
yea, most of the engines ive seen with that restrictor, were TDI engines. doesnt a TDI filter flange fit on an AAZ?

Yes, but I couldn't say what car my AHU filter flange came from, as it's got the filter mounted at 45 degrees  (which I needed to clear my engine mount) - I bought it off ebay.

I'll double check my old filter brackets, as one was from a late AAZ (UK).

im gonna say a passat or something with a longitudinal engine..

Passat is transverse - likely an audi TBH  :P
Title: Re: Oil Filter Bracket Choke plug - Missing
Post by: R.O.R-2.0 on January 04, 2012, 07:39:20 pm
yea, most of the engines ive seen with that restrictor, were TDI engines. doesnt a TDI filter flange fit on an AAZ?

Yes, but I couldn't say what car my AHU filter flange came from, as it's got the filter mounted at 45 degrees  (which I needed to clear my engine mount) - I bought it off ebay.

I'll double check my old filter brackets, as one was from a late AAZ (UK).

im gonna say a passat or something with a longitudinal engine..

Passat is transverse - likely an audi TBH  :P

our passats are NOT transverse.. they have north-south engines.. just like a RWD car..
Title: Re: Oil Filter Bracket Choke plug - Missing
Post by: burn_your_money on January 04, 2012, 07:44:15 pm
our passats are NOT transverse.. they have north-south engines.. just like a RWD car..

'Fraid not.
(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/225522_10150177696831168_502096167_6843079_1507361_n.jpg)
that's a 93 Passat
Title: Re: Oil Filter Bracket Choke plug - Missing
Post by: Mark(The Miser)UK on January 04, 2012, 08:02:09 pm
All Passats after Quantum mk2 Passat are sideways //golf stylee, except a mk1v, or is it a mk v.

The quoted bracket is off AAM, ABS, 2E,1Y, ASF, and AEK engines
028115417 is for AAZ,1Z engines.
That plug sized item AAM ABF 2E, ABS. AEK and they call it a valve.

For the AAZ, 1Z, 1Y engines the same pic represents a "M12 x 1.5" choke.

Does the choke look like the valve but with a hole in it or is the choke merely washer type item?
The EKTA pictures that cover many options rarely look like the item 'in the flesh' :( so to speak
Title: Re: Oil Filter Bracket Choke plug - Missing
Post by: R.O.R-2.0 on January 04, 2012, 08:37:11 pm
oh man..

my brain was off when i posted that..

i was thinking old passats/quantums..

and dont some of the newer generation passats have longitudinal engines?
Title: Re: Oil Filter Bracket Choke plug - Missing
Post by: Big Daddy Roth on January 27, 2012, 03:40:07 pm
So my experience with this choke plug is this:

I did a rebuild of my AAZ and accidently tossed out my oil filter stand. I grabbed one from an ABA (has the choke plug). I took the white oil switch out of it's original spot and drilled and tapped that hole for the oil feed line for the turbo. I moved the oil pressure switch to one of the spots on the front of the stand. Now the switch won't close (normally open), causing the alarm in the cluster to sound.

I'll pull the choke out and let you know what happens.
Title: Re: Oil Filter Bracket Choke plug - Missing
Post by: Big Daddy Roth on January 27, 2012, 07:44:41 pm
Use a gasser stand if you need to, but make sure you take the choke out. I fixed my issue.