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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: Toby on November 04, 2011, 02:55:14 pm
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I am looking for info on the GTD? Google Wikipedia are not very helpful other than mentioning the car and lots of crap about the new one. Was this just a GTi with a diesel? Was the engine different from the run of the mill TD?
I just scored an '86 GTI for a song and am going to diesel it as soon as I get it home.
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When compared to a standard 1.6TD it had 10 brake more, intercooled as standard with a watercooled turbo
The actual build varied from market to market.
For the UK they seem to have been introduced on the Mk2 Golf, 4 door models with GTI trim levels but often only steel wheels.
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4 doors you say??!! How sad. Any idea if the IC stuff was pirated off of another model or was it GTD specific?
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A GTD has the power of a GTI with the economical-ness of a diesel ;)
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the cooler looked similar to the G60 - not sure if it was the same.
not a great setup, sat on top of engine bay with poor airflow.
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4 doors you say??!! How sad. Any idea if the IC stuff was pirated off of another model or was it GTD specific?
Mk3 Passat 'Jelly mold'?
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watercooled turbo???
pretty sure it was just a stock turbo? with an intercooler, and some slightly larger nozzles in the injectors
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GTD's after '89 came with a water-cooled K14 if I'm not mistaken.. The IC setup is also GTD-specific. They also came with the SB-engine, 80 HP and 155 NM.
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GTD's after '89 came with a water-cooled K14 if I'm not mistaken.. The IC setup is also GTD-specific. They also came with the SB-engine, 80 HP and 155 NM.
The IC setup is almost the same that was used on the G60 (both ICs were are the same size and were located in the same place), but the piping was totally different, as the G-Ladder is in front of the engine, so, the mouth location is different.
Until late 1989, there was only one GTD model: the one with oil-cooled turbo (KKK or Garret) and engine codes JR and MF (70 hp). Trim levels were same as standard GTIs, and came with steelies.
From 1990 onwards, there were 2 possiblities: Oil-cooled, and a new water-cooled turbo (KKK or Garret, again), engine codes RA and SB (80 hp).
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Like I said, it varies from market to market.
The UK (as far as I know) only officially received the RAs and SBs all with watercooled turbos.
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Like I said, it varies from market to market.
It varies quite a lot indeed! I was just telling about LHD cars made in Wolfsburg.
Here in Spain we got the JR/RA models, both in 3-4 doors, but there weren't many options when you bought them: 13" steelies or BBS, 14" steelies, sunroof and a few more options.
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and then the real GTD ;D MK1 1.6td engine code CY and no IC
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and then the real GTD ;D MK1 1.6td engine code CY and no IC
Did the Mk1 GTD Emblem just mean Golf TurboDiesel, wheareas the Mk2GTD stood for Gran Tourismo Diesel, or luxury tourer.Was there a JTD? Or a PTD/QTD!
Funny thing about the last one is that I downloaded a German VAG mag that is devoted to an intercooled Quantum :o
What interior came with the early GTD compared with the early TD?
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i would imagine the pumps were different, or atleast had different settings.
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Interesting marketing concepts. No GTDs were offered in North America, but, by the descriptions above, it sounds as though a better intercooler, minor head work, pump mods, and probably a free-flowing exhaust would have contributed seriously worthwhile improvements in power. Is that a reasonable assessment?
It’s too bad that VW doesn’t see fit to offer its best economy cars with TD power, at least here in US.
Mark(The Miser)UK, was that intercooled Quantum/Passat a factory-offering, or an owner mod?
J.R.
SoCal
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Interesting marketing concepts. No GTDs were offered in North America, but, by the descriptions above, it sounds as though a better intercooler, minor head work, pump mods, and probably a free-flowing exhaust would have contributed seriously worthwhile improvements in power. Is that a reasonable assessment?
It’s too bad that VW doesn’t see fit to offer its best economy cars with TD power, at least here in US.
Mark(The Miser)UK, was that intercooled Quantum/Passat a factory-offering, or an owner mod?
J.R.
SoCal
It's in a 1987 Volkswagen official official brochure. It talks about the intercooled 1.6 engine for the Passat and Golf, and lists the 10hp increase. It shows a picture of an inline engine [in what must be a Quantum,because in 1988 the mk3 Passat became transverse] with an Audi styled intercoooler beside the intake filter in line with the radiator. Never seen one in the flesh, but there are holes in the front member of all Quantums for what I had thought was an extremely long radiator...
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What interior came with the early GTD compared with the early TD?[/color]
standard seats, not recarro sort, but with choice of 2 different cloth. GTI dashboard (with glove box) all in black (no chrome lines on vents or clock surround). Long arm rests, speaker pods with map holders on the door panels. Sort of greyish plastic paterned headliner. The famous black 5 speed golf ball, lettering in orange. 4 branch steering wheel with "turbo diesel" emblem in the middle. center console but no dials. Large black body side trim (like the cabs but without the chrome center strip). GTI wheel arches. front "GTD" emblem on front grill and "GOLF GTD" emblem on tha back.
Options were: twin headlights and corresponding grill, alloy wheels, 4 doors or 2 doors (with reclining normal seats)
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/2571/1122567908a6547.jpg)
(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3603/gtd4.jpg)