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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: RabbitJockey on April 02, 2009, 07:06:52 pm
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some crazy 2100cc aaz beast from the netherlands i believe, it had ford 1.8td pistons which have a bore of 83mm i believe. it just got me curious about using pistons like that, if they aren't too tall of a piston i think it would be possible to use a 9a 16v gasser block with 1.6 crank and rods and it would make a short stroke 1.9. i just like odd ball things though, i think thats why i like these cars/engines so much
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Thats awesome wish there was more info on it.
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look at cylinder one.. is it me or does that look like its chipping
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cyl 1 looks damaged you're right.
After experiencing the difference between the 1.9 head on my 1.6 and the 1.6head that it used to have on it...
i dream of a 16v diesel. Why isn't there one? I almost want to engineer my own. Am i just retarded? why aren't the TDI's 16v? are the PD's 16v?
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cyl 1 looks damaged you're right.
After experiencing the difference between the 1.9 head on my 1.6 and the 1.6head that it used to have on it...
i dream of a 16v diesel. Why isn't there one? I almost want to engineer my own. Am i just retarded? why aren't the TDI's 16v? are the PD's 16v?
there is a 16v tdi i think its the pd150 engine
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from the back of my head:
PD are 8v engines, 16v exist but are CR
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yep, all 1.9 pd are 8v
there is a 16v, but itīs a 2.0 CR...
cheers mates
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It looks to me like the cylinders are oiled and the crank was rotated leaving oil at the top of the cylinder which is now dripping down.
Thats what it looks like to me.
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use a 9a 16v gasser block with 1.6 crank and rods and it would make a short stroke 1.9. i just like odd ball things though, i think thats why i like these cars/engines so much
Then some how figure out how to make a 16v head. High revving monster.
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i think 16 v heads would be easy to make work, but not as easy for an IDI motor. just put a tdi injector in the spark plug hole. and good chance this is gonna be a fire breathing monster, so glow plugs wont be 100% necessary. i kinda dig how andy2 starts his car.
and uh, i wanna figure out how to build one of these bastards.. im way partial to my 1.5 because of the short stroke, but if i could build some sort of a monster diesel that spun some rpms, i would definitely try and build one. but it almost looked like that block had siamese cylinders. and siamese cylinders are gay.. my dad had a 400 chev once and the cylinder wall between 2 cyl's melted. idk how he did it, but you could see through one cyl right into the other one.
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I think that the PD 130 is a 16V. I know that there is 16V TDI's in Europe.
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there are 16V PD's over in Europe. and they go like stink!!!!
i don't see the chipping in cyl 1. it almost looks like oil dripping from assembly to me, but i could be wrong.
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I am thinking bout building a motor with a 1.5 crank and AAZ pistons in a 1.6 block sleeved to fir the AAZ pistons.
should bring me back to 1.6L, but with a much larger piston face and shorter stroke, so it will rev like crazy.
interesting thought about using the ford pistons...hmmmm...
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I am thinking bout building a motor with a 1.5 crank and AAZ pistons in a 1.6 block sleeved to fir the AAZ pistons.
should bring me back to 1.6L, but with a much larger piston face and shorter stroke, so it will rev like crazy.
interesting thought about using the ford pistons...hmmmm...
keep me updated on your build up. i want to build some crazy, off the wall engine too. and its just about time, put a hole in my oil pan recently and blew the headgasket also. but i didnt run it out of oil, i caught the gauge fluttering, so i shut it off and there was still oil draining out the pan, so i know it didnt go dry.
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yeah, this will be my next fall project.
I go and work for 80-90 hours a week in rural alaska all summer, so no time for foolishness until august.
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im going to ba in alaska until the first part of sept. and by then i will have some cash flow, so that would be the best time to build a ***in' engine anyways..
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but it almost looked like that block had siamese cylinders. and siamese cylinders are gay.. my dad had a 400 chev once and the cylinder wall between 2 cyl's melted. idk how he did it, but you could see through one cyl right into the other one.
Most all aftermarket chevy blocks have siamesed cylinders. They are stronger provided you have enough cylinder wall thinkness. Thats the prob with stock SBC 400s
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im just not fond of siamesed cyl's. they are way more apt to hot spots. and since theres no water between the cylinders, i dont think the design would be as desireable. i would rather have thick enough cylinders that had water jackets between them. but thats just me.
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yeah, but you need enough space between the cylinders for that, lots of crazy built motors are bored so big there is no room for a water jacket in between the cylinders with a decent cylinder wall thickness.
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i know, but lots of crazy built motors also have solid, or filled blocks. and thats a totally different animal there. thats where the uuber strenght is achieved. :wink:
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i also agree that it's oil. Sorry.
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PD 105, PD 130, PD 150 and PD 160 are 8V.
PD 140 and PD 170 are 16V.
For a 16V IDI, Aki-76 tried using a KR (1.8 16V) head, but suitable pistons and rods couldn't be found. Now he's bulding a 20V M-TDI, using 1.8 T 20V head and an SDI block :twisted:
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SDI?
suction diesel injection. Interesting. So Naturally Aspirated? or is there more to it?
Jeeze, europe has WAY more interesting engines... why aren't they over here in boring North America? or am i just oblivious.
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PD 105, PD 130, PD 150 and PD 160 are 8V.
PD 140 and PD 170 are 16V.
For a 16V IDI, Aki-76 tried using a KR (1.8 16V) head, but suitable pistons and rods couldn't be found. Now he's bulding a 20V M-TDI, using 1.8 T 20V head and an SDI block :twisted:
a 20V head would be crazy fast on a diesel!!! but the question is... can it hold up to the intense pressures & boost??? hmmm i wonder!
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only one way to find out!
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PD 105, PD 130, PD 150 and PD 160 are 8V.
PD 140 and PD 170 are 16V.
For a 16V IDI, Aki-76 tried using a KR (1.8 16V) head, but suitable pistons and rods couldn't be found. Now he's bulding a 20V M-TDI, using 1.8 T 20V head and an SDI block :twisted:
a 20V head would be crazy fast on a diesel!!! but the question is... can it hold up to the intense pressures & boost??? hmmm i wonder!
Why wouldn't it?
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PD 105, PD 130, PD 150 and PD 160 are 8V.
PD 140 and PD 170 are 16V.
For a 16V IDI, Aki-76 tried using a KR (1.8 16V) head, but suitable pistons and rods couldn't be found. Now he's bulding a 20V M-TDI, using 1.8 T 20V head and an SDI block :twisted:
a 20V head would be crazy fast on a diesel!!! but the question is... can it hold up to the intense pressures & boost??? hmmm i wonder!
Why wouldn't it?
just think of how the head is setup. 5 valves per cylinder. that is an abundance of cracks!!! :lol: the heat stress will probably take its toll. i bet there is much less meat between the valves etc to withstand the heat.
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jezzzz.... you guys are crazy >:(
like you guys ;D
cheers from overseas
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Reading this thread makes me feel happy to be in the UK now ;D
Such a pity the 1.8 20VT engines are expensive :( I'd be looking at Ģ3k for a decent engine, that's about $5k US :o
I had a drive in an 08 Golf GT 2.0TDI Sport this morning and... WOW ! Really nice drive, very rapid and full of torque ;D
Can't wait to get my Mk2 Golf 1.6TD and start tinkering ;)
Gotta get rid of my Frontera Sport first though...
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Such a pity the 1.8 20VT engines are expensive :( I'd be looking at Ģ3k for a decent engine, that's about $5k US :o
:o I bought my almost complete AEB for 570 euros. Including shipping from south Sweden to north Finland.
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SDI?
suction diesel injection. Interesting. So Naturally Aspirated? or is there more to it?
Jeeze, europe has WAY more interesting engines... why aren't they over here in boring North America? or am i just oblivious.
Here ya go.
It's for a boat, but that's a minor detail
http://www.vw-m.de/index.php?id=6&L=1
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omfg, marine VW diesels... i think ive died and gone to heaven.
now why cant we have stuff like this over here in the states.
see, this is another reason why i hate the USA. NO SWEET DIESELS!!!
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Those are sweet. I'd run em.
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just think of how the head is setup. 5 valves per cylinder. that is an abundance of cracks!!! :lol: the heat stress will probably take its toll. i bet there is much less meat between the valves etc to withstand the heat.
Those 5 valves mean lots of fresh air. I don't think the heat stress generated by the diesel engines is bigger than the 1.8 20vt itself. :)
The heat generated by the 1.8 20vt is incredible. A friend of mine had one mounted into his '90 golf and he had to do some research to insulate the downpipe properly.. after some minutes of hard driving, the heat from the downpipe would toast the poor driver.. ;D
There are some crazy mods out there done with the stock head. If I had to do a 20v mTDI or similar I think that head would be a wise choice.
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yeah i thought gas engines ran much hotter than diesel. wrap the down pipe in aluminum foil... heat wrap is too expensive haha.
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Gassers run hotter under normal driving conditions. But under full load the diesel will make more heat. And the peak cylinder pressure is alot higher on a diesel.