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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: rixy on February 27, 2009, 07:53:48 am

Title: will a 1Y head fit an ABL block?
Post by: rixy on February 27, 2009, 07:53:48 am: will the head from a n/a 1.9d caddy (1Y) fit and run ok on my ABL 1.9 td engine? I was under the understanding that all 1.9diesel heads are the same? just the gaskets that differ? Is this correct??
Title: will a 1Y head fit an ABL block?
Post by: TurboJ on February 27, 2009, 11:13:07 am: Why is that? The 1Y engine is IDI too.
Title: will a 1Y head fit an ABL block?
Post by: foxracer1 on February 27, 2009, 02:01:21 pm: Why are we so deprived?
Title: will a 1Y head fit an ABL block?
Post by: ryanp on February 27, 2009, 02:03:39 pm: 1y has a really nice inlet and exhaust manifold!
Title: will a 1Y head fit an ABL block?
Post by: TurboJ on February 27, 2009, 03:25:20 pm: Quote from: "ryanp"
1y has a really nice inlet and exhaust manifold!

Guess who's using both of them on his Jetta project... :twisted:
Title: will a 1Y head fit an ABL block?
Post by: foxracer1 on February 27, 2009, 06:16:53 pm: pics!!!
Title: will a 1Y head fit an ABL block?
Post by: ryanp on February 28, 2009, 02:14:08 am: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=238581

thats the inlet i have!
Title: will a 1Y head fit an ABL block?
Post by: rixy on February 28, 2009, 04:18:11 am: would this give any performance gain?? would it not fowl the turbo?
Title: will a 1Y head fit an ABL block?
Post by: the caveman on February 28, 2009, 06:49:09 am: That's what i now have in my transporter. Actually was an ADG industrial, but just got a bigger pump built up , modified a cx intake and voila.
Title: will a 1Y head fit an ABL block?
Post by: rixy on March 01, 2009, 08:11:18 am: i got my new head today (from my mate, off a 1y engine) and all looks to be the same. Also, the head looks brand new casting, and its not a VW part. So im guessing its a new remanufactured one from vw engineering or similar, can anybody confirm??

Also, what does the little extra pipe coming out of the side of the head do (by the water flange) as my ABL head has one, and my 1y doesnt?? other than that,thats the only difference that i can see??

so should be ok, as long as i dont need that pipe??

here are some pics?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Rixy666/01032009673.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Rixy666/01032009672.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Rixy666/01032009674.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Rixy666/01032009675.jpg)

and here's a pic of my old head, with pipe, and new one without??

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Rixy666/01032009676.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Rixy666/01032009677.jpg)
Title: will a 1Y head fit an ABL block?
Post by: the caveman on March 01, 2009, 08:25:57 am: I have never seen a diesel head with one of those outlets. Only on 1.8 and 2.0 gasser heads. And not a VW casting. Someone else will have to attest to the quality of it.
Title: will a 1Y head fit an ABL block?
Post by: RabbitJockey on March 01, 2009, 08:34:10 am: i had an amc head on my old 1.6 it was never a problem for me, i've read stuff on here tho about them being cheap.
Title: will a 1Y head fit an ABL block?
Post by: rixy on March 01, 2009, 08:59:17 am: Quote from: "the caveman"
I have never seen a diesel head with one of those outlets. Only on 1.8 and 2.0 gasser heads. And not a VW casting. Someone else will have to attest to the quality of it.

thats what i thought?? i cant even find anythin in the engine bay that it would connect to either?? weird??
Title: will a 1Y head fit an ABL block?
Post by: foxracer1 on March 01, 2009, 09:08:17 am: Yeah aftermarket head. Had one on my car seemed ok. I think having a OE german head just makes people feel better.
Title: will a 1Y head fit an ABL block?
Post by: jtanguay on March 01, 2009, 09:13:54 am: Quote from: "rixy"
Quote from: "the caveman"
I have never seen a diesel head with one of those outlets. Only on 1.8 and 2.0 gasser heads. And not a VW casting. Someone else will have to attest to the quality of it.

thats what i thought?? i cant even find anythin in the engine bay that it would connect to either?? weird??

almost looks like it is for the EGR cooler... could be wrong though.

Quote from: "foxracer1"
Yeah aftermarket head. Had one on my car seemed ok. I think having a OE german head just makes people feel better.

yeah as long as good coolant is used there really shouldn't be any problems... unless there were casting defects. i'm sure that these manufacturers must adhere to some type of quality inspections... i hope :lol:

that being said, a coolant additive might be a good idea if you decide to go with a cheaper non OEM head. jimfoo seems to have had great success using evans coolant in his head/motor. the coolant runs with zero pressure, so is much safer, and would probably save a lot of heater cores out there :wink: too bad its so damn expensive though!!! :x :lol:

part of the problem is also their ordering site... how the heck is anyone going to know exactly what they need??? they should sell kits!
Title: will a 1Y head fit an ABL block?
Post by: the caveman on March 01, 2009, 09:58:52 am: As for that extra coolant fitting, i would just "T" it into to return to the small hose that goes to your overflow bottle. Nice feature to constantly bleed the air out the system, however i'm wondering why they decided to install it in the first place. Unless the are using the same casting for diesel and gassers.
Title: will a 1Y head fit an ABL block?
Post by: rixy on March 01, 2009, 10:31:46 am: thats what im saying. the coolant pipe is there on the old head, but not on the new, so if i dont "need " it,then im not fussed.

I will be running GU12 vw coolant, as i never run anything different, as its designed to do the job, with alloy heads etc, and i've always run good quality coolant.

Will i need to swap the cams over from my TD into the 1Y head? or are they the same? Is there anything else internally that i'll have to change, or will the cam suffice (along with any external fittings, i.e water spouts etc?)
Title: will a 1Y head fit an ABL block?
Post by: Baxter on March 01, 2009, 02:09:59 pm: Extra outlet goes up to the header tank from memory.
AMC are spanish, I use them at work with no problems.
Valves aren't the best looking quality items, but no probs so far.
castings are generally good, but can be a little rough in places and could just do with a little fettle every now and again, but really nothing to cause alarm.
Title: will a 1Y head fit an ABL block?
Post by: rixy on March 02, 2009, 12:59:47 am: cheers baxter......so am i right in saying, this will just bolt on, with my extra bits etc, and cause no problems. Good o.

Obv i gotta change injectors im guessing, and the camshaft? can you confirm this??

And the water pipe is deffo no needed, so i can block it off,and not use it.

Excellent.

cheers for ya help guys..

Now then, has any1 made a how to, on re fitting and plumbing up a head, doing the timing etc??? As i didnt take it off, so i dont really know how it goes back, or at least how to time it up.