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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: Kantdrivefast on November 15, 2008, 09:33:06 pm
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Have trouble pulling their engine out? Mine has been a complete nightmare and its not even out yet, and Ive almost completely stripped the motor of parts. Any suggestions to help smooth this out?
Cas
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It would be helpful to know what chassis, what engine, and what transmission you're wrestling with ?! :wink:
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I suppose it would.......
It's an 81 diesel jetta, and im trying to wrangle the current n/a engine out to drop in my TD 1.6.... and its a five speed if it helps.
Does the transmission have to come out as well or can the engine come out alone? Its so close as it is.
Cas
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I'm pretty much useless when it comes to MK1's... However I know that many MK2 guys swear it's easier to remove the rad support and pull the motor and trans out the front as a unit.
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Mk1's dont have that luxury.... Rad supports welded on....
And Im trying to stray from removing the trans as I dont have a 12 point bit to remove the cv's.
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I've found that dropping the engine and trans out the bottom as a unit is about the easiest... THat is if you have the means to lift the car high enough, lower everything out, and slide it all outta there..
Second would be to remove the trans then lift the engine out...
If you have the means to support the trans you could probably unbolt the mounts and leave the axles attached.. This should allow you to move the trans outta the way enough to get it in and out
The little buggers are just not quite wide enough to separate the engine from the trans with the trans bolted in... Darn near imposible to get back together like that... Probably for the hasle involved you'd be further ahead to spring for the triple square bits... A set of 4 can be had for under $20 from most autoparts stores, and will come in handy if you ever need to do a head gasket...
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I had to pull mine out also. I have a 91 Jetta Diesel. IT too was a pain in the but. I tore a cv boot trying to seperate the two.
Seems to always hang on the coupling off of the transmission.
After putting the prybar, hammer and torch down, I undid all the tranny bolts took out all the connections, and pulled both. The tranny stayed on even with out any bolts connected.
:evil:
-Ron
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theyre seperating, just not coming completely apart. It seems theres just not quite enough room on the passenger side to pull the engine over.
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just not quite enough room on the passenger side to pull the engine over.
You got it... If you tilt the front of the engine way up (trans too) it will eventually come out... I think I had to unbolt the rear trans mount to get everything tilted enough...
But once again it'll be darn near impossible to get back in and line the splines on the trans up to the clutch... THe imput shaft to the trans is probably what is holding you up right now... It's sticking in through the flywheel and such....
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damn, well thanks max for the info.
CAs
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It's not too bad to pull the engine and trans as a unit , as long as you can get lots of travel to tip it up (trans down). Other than that, drop the tranny first and then the engine comes out fairly easy......
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When I pull an engine I hook it up to the engine hoist so that it comes out on a 45 degree angle, motor up. I've gone out the bottom before, but prefer out the top.
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Here is this from anoter site.
I too am not looking forward to pulling the na out of my mk2 for the turbo to go in. This is helping me a little, but maybe it will be usable for you.
http://vwdieselparts.com/motori.htm
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And Im trying to stray from removing the trans as I dont have a 12 point bit to remove the cv's.
Yeah, I think this is your biggest constraint... just about everyone seems to find it easiest to dispense with the transmission first *or* pull them both at the same time.
The tranny is much lighter than the engine, so probably easiest to be pulling the tranny away from the engine, rather than the other way round.
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the 12 point driver can be found at places like autozone.
it comes in a kit of four. Labeled as xyz or triple square drivers
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I took a motor out and left the transmission in there because the guy I was working for insisted that it was easier. Never again. I've also just pulled a transmission and I'd prefer to pull the whole engine if it wasn't for the stupid coolant.
Take them out as a set is my recommendation.
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Take them out as a set is my recommendation.
and take it out throught the bottom. I have taken many engines out of MKIs using only a couple of blocks of wood and the factory jack. Taking it out the top is a nightmare. Taking it out the top by leaving the trans in is even worse than a nightmare. if you dont have the proper tools for the job, dont attempt it. go buy the CV tool if you plan on working on your car in the future, you will need it again.
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Since MK1s are so light I have already left the car down on the ground with the front wheels off and motor/trans supported on a dolly, or even some blocks... Then use the engine hoist to lift the car off the engine/trans... Then slide it out...
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Mk1's dont have that luxury.... Rad supports welded on....
And Im trying to stray from removing the trans as I dont have a 12 point bit to remove the cv's.
Walk into a Sears and they will have many sizes. The 11mm triple square (12 point) for the head bolts they don't but if you order it online in the store, the clerk can enter a code on the screen so you don't pay shipping and you'll get it in a couple of days.
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When I pull an engine I hook it up to the engine hoist so that it comes out on a 45 degree angle, motor up. I've gone out the bottom before, but prefer out the top.
+1 for that.
to pull the engine and tranny is heaps easier and shorter time wise in a mk1 than just to do the motor itself.
working on my own, with a engine hoist, i can take the engine/box out, replace clutch and put it all back together in a day.
but you obviously gotta remove CV's.
easiest way is to d/c the exhaust at the 90 under the rack, pull the radiator out and d'c all the wiring, cables and linkages. then it just comes right out (at 45 deg engine up) and make sure you take the bonnet off ;-)