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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: MontanaGTD on March 10, 2008, 04:09:26 pm

Title: How do I build a powerful reliable TD?
Post by: MontanaGTD on March 10, 2008, 04:09:26 pm
I'm starting with a 1.6 Sb engine coded Golf MK2 GTD - I wouldnt mind a 1.9.  But dont know what to start with, what bits are better than othere etc!

please give me a build list!
Title: How do I build a powerful reliable TD?
Post by: rallydiesel on March 10, 2008, 04:19:47 pm
No power steering, no A/C, no cruise. Use Kolbenschmidt pistons, ARP studs, make sure your block is flat, use metal HG, etc.
Title: Re: How do I build a powerful reliable TD?
Post by: zaprzal on March 11, 2008, 11:07:06 am
Quote from: "MontanaGTD"
But dont know what to start with


first: answer yourself a question "how much is powerful"?
Title: How do I build a powerful reliable TD?
Post by: MontanaGTD on March 13, 2008, 03:47:17 pm
I'm after about 140-150bhp - I've got an SB 1.6 on 150,000 miles and not sure if thats the best place to start or should I star with a 1.9 AAZ bottom end???
Title: How do I build a powerful reliable TD?
Post by: MontanaGTD on March 13, 2008, 03:48:40 pm
I have no PAS, no cruise and no A/C
Title: How do I build a powerful reliable TD?
Post by: hillfolk'r on March 13, 2008, 07:02:32 pm
Quote from: "MontanaGTD"
I'm after about 140-150bhp - I've got an SB 1.6 on 150,000 miles and not sure if thats the best place to start or should I star with a 1.9 AAZ bottom end???


id do the 1.9........but thats me
i would also recomend maybe thinking about a TDI-M if you want that much reliable power,since you are sort of starting from scratch anyways
i did a tdi cause i was in the same boat and priced it out and it wasnt too much more to go tdi-m
Title: How do I build a powerful reliable TD?
Post by: myke_w on March 14, 2008, 11:42:14 am
somebody's gotta say it-

cheap, fast, reliable - pick 2

No really, I think the stock internals will hold the power back, but I'd go through the whole thing and make sure it's solid, get a valve job, head tested for cracks, leaks, etc. I'd do all new gaskets, seals, o-rings
I think the injection pump is the next place to go, get all the hot mods done to it, no governor, modified advance curve, shaped boost aneroid pin, different cam plate. Then you'll want to select injector nozzles, probably gtd ones, a good free flowing exhaust turbo back (ditch the toilet bowl), you need an efficient inter cooler, a fairly quick spooling turbo. Metal head gasket, head studs, EGT guage, boost guage. Good beefy clutch, 16v pressure plate, possibly a limited slip diff, tires to make it stick, brakes to hold it back.  Gasket with windage tray, good oil pump.

fyi, this is the fast / reliable way ;)
Title: How do I build a powerful reliable TD?
Post by: Black Smokin' Diesel on March 14, 2008, 08:41:48 pm
Quote from: "MontanaGTD"
I'm after about 140-150bhp - I've got an SB 1.6 on 150,000 miles and not sure if thats the best place to start or should I star with a 1.9 AAZ bottom end???


You can get that out of both the 1.6 and 1.9. The only diff at this point is that the 1.9 has more torque off boost and the 1.6 is a revver.
Title: How do I build a powerful reliable TD?
Post by: MontanaGTD on March 16, 2008, 03:35:48 pm
"Use Kolbenschmidt pistons, ARP studs, make sure your block is flat, use metal HG"

Where do I get these from??
Title: How do I build a powerful reliable TD?
Post by: subsonic on March 16, 2008, 05:06:57 pm
Quote from: "libbybapa"
read, think, read, think, read, think, spend, spend, spend spend, make, read, think, read, think, read, think, spend, spend, spend, fix, read, think, read, think, read, think, spend, spend, spend, fix, etc....eventually you'll have powerful and reliable   :lol:

Andrew


No kidding.  I have been at this for about 1 year and I still don't have it all together yet. Money, money, money. Now I find out that the Merc turbo I picked is going to be to small.  Only good for around 160hp.  Two steps forward, 1 step back.
Title: How do I build a powerful reliable TD?
Post by: jtanguay on March 16, 2008, 05:39:31 pm
Quote from: "MontanaGTD"
"Use Kolbenschmidt pistons, ARP studs, make sure your block is flat, use metal HG"

Where do I get these from??


the first can be had from myke_w, arp studs, well contact ARP.  the last can also be had by any parts place, and the 2nd last can be done by any reputable machine shop.
Title: How do I build a powerful reliable TD?
Post by: rallydiesel on March 16, 2008, 08:22:49 pm
You may also want to do the Peloquin transmission bolt upgrade. The 020 has rivets in the ring gear that can break if your engine is heavily modified. The Peloquin kit consists of bolts that replace the rivets.

You may also want to do the economical 80% slip kit (about $100) or the full on LSD if you can afford it (about $900).
Title: How do I build a powerful reliable TD?
Post by: Gernster on March 17, 2008, 06:44:28 am
tell you what I'm going to do, but my primary directive is a smooth, reliable diesel to do lots of miles;

buy a 1998-1999 seat ibiza or toledo TDI (90bhp AHU engine, there are a couple of ebay with damage for £400-£500) transplant the lot using mk3 golf subframe (if I get a toledo its the same) mk2 crossmember, use the cable gearbox and all the wiring.

2.5" exhaust, front mounted intercooler and then get it chipped ( I know it will need to be an overseas chip) to get 120-130. Ill be happy with that and should have a nice smooth economical diesel!

If I sell the bits off the donor and my old bits its shouldnt cost me more than a couple of hundred quid!
Title: How do I build a powerful reliable TD?
Post by: MontanaGTD on March 17, 2008, 01:19:50 pm
Tell you something else too!

If you get a Toledo - then you can also transplant the dash and the interior - the Td ones also come with 256's on the front and 228's on the back, plus it comes with PAS and ABS!

Just thought i'd throw that in! My maters just transfer a complete Toledo GT running gear etc into a MK2 shell! Its all plug and play!
Title: How do I build a powerful reliable TD?
Post by: Gernster on March 17, 2008, 03:18:26 pm
so why are you planning on spending shed loads of cash on a 1.6???  :lol:
Title: How do I build a powerful reliable TD?
Post by: Baselyne on March 17, 2008, 03:44:03 pm
oh man .....hhahhah shed loads...
Title: How do I build a powerful reliable TD?
Post by: Gernster on March 18, 2008, 02:19:51 am
uk slang my friend ;)
Title: How do I build a powerful reliable TD?
Post by: MontanaGTD on March 23, 2008, 02:02:00 pm
I have a 1.9 TD bottom end which I got for £10 - but not sure of its mileage or condition!
Title: How do I build a powerful reliable TD?
Post by: mdonau on March 24, 2008, 11:19:50 am
hi,

i've just finished the most of my conversion, took me about 18 month and
 a lot of thinking and re-thinking..and about 2500€ for spareparts (so far;))

i think the most important ist:
-Big intercooler + oilcooler
-TDI-tranny (mounted with G60 parts)
-Good pump, 10 or 11mm plunger
-Garrett T3 turbo
-new bearings etc.

Get the block bored & honed to fit oversize-pistons (smallest possible) and take a new head..

also think about bigger brakes.. the 256X13mm disks on my Audi are about to melt! (have 280x22 ready to be mounted soon)