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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: Dieselumbrado on January 26, 2008, 12:51:00 pm
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Today I went by a gas station and saw a diesel pump that says Low Sulfur Diesel, 500 PPM, and was a warning saying: " This diesel is prohibit on 2007 and newer engines".
Is this the old diesel?
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Yep. The new diesel is 15ppm. If you can find it, use the old stuff. Less liklihood of a leaking pump, if you haven't resealed it yet.
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ya,
they have both at my local station, I have been opting for the low, not ultra low. it seems to be working well.
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Yeah I am pissed off with this ULSD. I don't know where to find LSD. You would think that they would supply it for all older model diesels.
Guess they never figured an old 79-81' diesel rabbit would last this long! :twisted: thanks to good ol' high sulfur diesel.
Question: what can you do if you have to use ULSD but don't want to blend biodiesel because of sub-zero temps? Any certain additive?
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most truck stops still have it for the off road equiptment, at leat in canada. it is illegal to use it, but that is only if you get caught
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Question: what can you do if you have to use ULSD but don't want to blend biodiesel because of sub-zero temps? Any certain additive?
Age old diesel buffs swear by Stanadyne. I spoke with a diesel tech here in the US who claimed that he's pulled apart pumps on newer cars that looked like they were sandblasted inside. He recommended Stanadyne to prevent wear on the pump. I'm not sure how it does in cold weather, but as you note, if it's warm enough, go with the bio-blend.
The strange thing that I noticed on my GFs 2001 TDI, is that the new ULSD smells really bad when it's run: like burnt hair. But with the Bio-blend, it doesn't smell at all really.
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most truck stops still have it for the off road equiptment, at leat in canada. it is illegal to use it, but that is only if you get caught
If only there was some secret under-the-table additive that you could use to turn red dyed diesel to a mellow-yellow! :D
Just maybe...................... :twisted:
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some guys have added two stroke oil with some success in stopping the pump from leaking (and it adds lubrication to the pump & upper cylinder too!)
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Power Service also has several additives available. Most common at parts stores, truck stops, wal mart, etc are winter anti gel and summer cleaner, cetate boost that both help lube the pump.
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Power Service also has several additives available. Most common at parts stores, truck stops, wal mart, etc are winter anti gel and summer cleaner, cetate boost that both help lube the pump.
that's what ive been using, and its been working for me... i know that it adds quite a bit of power and increases fuel mileage a little bit...
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I don't know where to find LSD.
Find some hippies, I am sure they could help :o
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Get used to it. By 2009 ULSD will be your only choice.
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I don't know where to find LSD.
Find some hippies, I am sure they could help :o
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I don't know where to find LSD.
Find some hippies, I am sure they could help :o
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"yeah doood, we can get you some LSD maaann.... what is that some kind of shroom man.." :)
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I've been using Stanadyne Performance Formula. Have been running it since I picked up my Golf with no leaks. That's about 20K miles and ULSD 95% of the time. Guy I work with at Cat is a big VW nut and swears by it.
One note tho, there are two different types of this additive, one for pre 07 and one for post 07. I was told by the fuel systems shop where I buy it that the post 07 formula contains no sulfur where as the pre 07 does. Comes out to about $1 per fill up.
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We´ve had 2-5ppm diesel since -91 and no problems so far, my dads caddy has 360 000km on the odo and still going strong, original IP and all. How come you have problems with 15ppm in the US?
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which the parts per millions so low in sweden i wouldn't be surprised if you guys also have an additional lubricant additive in the fuel you describe. as far as i know, we do not over here so we have to add our own if we care about that sort of thing.
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some guys have added two stroke oil with some success in stopping the pump from leaking (and it adds lubrication to the pump & upper cylinder too!)
i use it at a mix rate of one ounce per gallon in my f350..keeps the injectors nice and happy. int the golf i use this
http://www.gunk.com/CAT_M7132.asp
well worth it in my opinion
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We´ve had 2-5ppm diesel since -91 and no problems so far, my dads caddy has 360 000km on the odo and still going strong, original IP and all. How come you have problems with 15ppm in the US?
There is a strong marketing ploy going around the USA that makes people think that ULSD is somehow harmful to their engine.
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We´ve had 2-5ppm diesel since -91 and no problems so far, my dads caddy has 360 000km on the odo and still going strong, original IP and all. How come you have problems with 15ppm in the US?
How much is it per gallon where you are?
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I remember there was a lot of discussion earlier about additives, when this new diesel was introduced.
My dad and I work in the forest, using 2-stroke clearing saws so occaisionally we´d pour some 2-stroke oil in the tank, don´t know how much good it does but it doesn´t hurt either.
Now, there´s no discussions, no one tells you to put additives in the tank, no one has any problems caused by our fuel. Not that I know anyway.
The diesel is 1.20 euro/litre, maybe around 6,60USD/gallon?? We´ve always had expensive fuel due to super high taxes :shock:
Edit: Our diesel has had 5% RME in it too for a few years now, works great, no leaking IP´s :wink:
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Isn't transmission fluid pretty high in sulfur? I wonder if tried treating some fuel with that if it would make a difference.
Diesel will run damn near anything that's got good viscosity... :)
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ATF as an additive is an old mechanics tale, it does more harm than help.
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OM617: The "strong marketing ploy" you are talking about is based on the change in the lubricity standard. Lubricity is measured as a function of wear. The new wear standard is <520 microns average scar wear diameter (ASTM D 975 5). The old standard was <460 microns, that is an increase in allowable wear of 13%. The new ULSD has a lubricity of about 600 microns and LSD has a lubricity of 570 microns. So in order for the ULSD to be accepted the manufacturers had to allow more wear. I guess your right about a "marketing ploy" , because it doesn't hurt the auto manufacturers much to allow more wear in the engine. It just means you have to bring your new diesel in sooner for rebuild... Or better yet to buy a new one.