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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: andybnwc on November 10, 2007, 10:39:15 am
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Just got my 97 td 1.9 back from a local garage after fitting a new turbo /second hand but spins and no play it drive really well but drove 120miles today and used all the oil , when i pulled up at a garage to get more oil and opened the bonnet fresh oil was all over the rocker cover , injection pump and turbo engine intake
Im worried that the oil lines for the turbo may be blocked or wrong as oil is coming out of the breather pipe at top and also where it meets the block, heres a pick of my busted turbo if this makes a difference.or maybe not photobucket aint working for me
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k163/nwctuning/DSC00169.jpg)
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well what was the oil consumption before this turbo? why did you swap this turbo in? what shape was the old turbo? does the compressor wheel look good? maybe little bits were sent into the motor scoring the cyl walls, eating pistons & rings to give you mad blow by??? just a theory...
are you running more than 10 psi boost? i noticed a very large increase in oil consumption when boosting to 15-20 psi.
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well the consuption was bad before when the old turbo went but im more worried about the oil spraying out all over the engine
The old turbo had been going for a while then finally gave up , the engine runs and sounds fine and starts easily and dont smoke either its done 86k
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well the oil is coming from somewhere... is it spraying at idle? some blowby is normal...
what did the old turbo look like? compressor wheel still intact? no little parts missing from it?
you probably just need new rings.
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didnt see any bits missing but will check tomorrow but does not leak at idle only when driven hard ie motorway constant strain , do you mean oil seals it turbo?
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didnt see any bits missing but will check tomorrow but does not leak at idle only when driven hard ie motorway constant strain , do you mean oil seals it turbo?
piston rings. how many km's on motor? it could be the turbo that is leaking oil into the intake. take off the hose going from the compressor to the intake manifold (do not let any dirt or crap to fall in) and check for oil residue. if there is a lot, it could be the problem.
did you mess with the boost? or are you running stock boost levels?
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its done 80k do you mean the air filter intake? was running slightly higher boost and fuel but nothing crazy and with this turbo pretty much stock boost with tiny fuel increase
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Remove the oil cap, if you can see your camshaft, you're missing a splash guard under the valve cover. It prevents the oil being thrown around by the cam to get into the breather.
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ok will take a look in the mornig and take some pics thanks
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ok here are some more pics , i think alot is coming from the vent in the first pic
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k163/nwctuning/DSC00175.jpg)
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k163/nwctuning/DSC00176.jpg)
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k163/nwctuning/DSC00174.jpg)
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k163/nwctuning/DSC00173.jpg)
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Its hard to tell exactly where the oil is comming from, but it looks like the majority of the leak is comming from the front of the engine. I'd investigate those pressure switches on the oil filter housing, or the swedge fitting on the turbo oil supply line. Looks like a hi pressure leak right below the upper radiator hose.
If it didn't hose down the front of the engine with oil befor the shop worked on it, they left something loose or broke something in the process.
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Check the oil feed line to make sure it's not leaking. They may have bent it on you. It looks pretty rusty
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Ok will do , im gonna book it back in again tmrw ,just want it sorting asap because its costing £30 a day to travel to work instead of £10 in the golf lol
The front was clean when i got it back but after 1 120mile trip it was dirty again , also noticed the turbo is noisy on spooling compared to the old unit
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if you get stuck, and you can get to Huddersfield I will take a look for you.
http://www.sjbaxter.co.uk
I have a rake of used AAZ spares left over from engine conversions.
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Had a quick look today and checked the metal oil feed seems to be fine no unusual kinks , refilled with oil and tryed to start but my battery went dead after a couple of turns , gonna wait for a friend to jump start it then wipe off all the oil and leave it running for a bit to see where the oil is coming from hopefully if not take it for a blast then look again
I will have a think about huddersfield as it aint that far from where i work just very hilly lol
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jumped it today turns over but wont start now , last time this happened it was the fuel pump fuse but i cant remember which one it is so gonna search for it
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:x pissed off car wont start not even a cough , fuel is in the lines from fuel filter, glow plug indicator is working , tryed to bump it down a big hill still nothing.
Checked fuel pump fuse its fine but the cable has snapped should it still start without it , also only 1 cable onto pump and two going into plug see pics ????
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k163/nwctuning/DSC00185.jpg)
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k163/nwctuning/DSC00184.jpg)
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Thats the pump solinoid. It will NOT start with out 12 volts going to that terminal. 12 Volts allows fuel to flow. 0 volts stops fuel flow.
Getting mad at the car will serve you no purpose. If its fixed right it will run right. If its kluged togather, it won't run right, or perhaps not run at all.
Fix the wire, clean the front of the engine. Start it up and look at the top of the oil filter flange. It will either be the pressure switch or the turbo oil supply line. With that much oil sprayed on the engine, the leak should be obvious.
You should also check to see if the oil spray got into the timimg belt cover. If oil got on the belt, it will drastically shorten the belt life.
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ok i will fix that cable , also noticed there is a spare terminal on top of oil cooler is that where the other chopped cable should run too?
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That's probably the pressure switch, which is one of your potential high pressure leak points. The turbo oil supply line should be in the same vacinity.
Start it up and look in that area for your leak.
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ok thanks any ideas why the previous owner would disconect this?
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ok thanks any ideas why the previous owner would disconect this?
Same reason mine did. Low oil pressure when the engine is hot, throwing the oil light and buzzer.
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:( AA breakdown came today after the usuall checks came to checking the turbine wheel and its all wobbly and wont spin ie turbo broken after just 120 miles , i think this must of been a oil problem ie none getting to the turbo and hence all the oil spraying out of engine bay .Got to confront the mechanic who fit it to see whats gonna happen next!
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your fuel screw looks a bit odd. it does have the protective anti-tamper collar on it right??? i'm just curious.
it almost sounds like the turbo oil supply line has started leaking. a pinhole leak won't really damage the turbo, as the pressure is reduced anyway... unless there is no more oil being supplied (which will happen if you don't keep an eye on your oil level which is a MUST on ANY diesel unless brand new... and even then its a good idea just to keep an eye on it every once in a while)
how does the oil supply line look? really rusty? you might need to wipe parts of it off if there is too much oil.
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the fuel screw cover has been moved for making power gains although at the moment is standard run stuff in, oil feed is rusty but no holes or kinks in it. any other ideas before i replace the turbo again?
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looks like the fuel screw locknut is missing or is it just me? its probably just the angle.
maybe your oil drain line is somehow clogged? that would pool the oil in the turbo and help with its early demise and oil would start to spray out of the seals in the turbo into the intake and possibly exhaust. i've never really heard of that happening though.. must be super rare.
you should probably install an oil pressure gauge. maybe you're just getting low pressure? then you have a whole different type of problem...
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yes the lock nut is there still , do you think that the garage should of checked to see if the oil was circulating properly before releasing the car to me to blow the turbo again?
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yes the lock nut is there still , do you think that the garage should of checked to see if the oil was circulating properly before releasing the car to me to blow the turbo again?
if the oil light didn't come on they probably wouldn't have thought to check. most guys just change the broken part, and do not bother finding out why the part actually failed.
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I thought you stated in your first post that you used up all of you oil in 120 miles. To empty the oil pan in 120 miles is a freak'n chrisis! That is the root of your problem.
Have you determined where the oil is leaking from yet? I wouldn't put any new parts on that thing until you fixed the oil leak problem.
1.) Fill the pan with the proper amount of oil.
2.) Clean the front of the engine so there is no oil on it.
3.)Start the engine and look for the leak.
4.) Fix the leak.
5.) Put on new turbo.
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its never used oil like that till the turbo was broken the first time , i had to drive it 60 miles broken but never had the light on, or sprayed out just a small leak from the bottom of the crank case breather pipe thing. top of engine was spotless no garages seem to have a clue about these engines and i aint got time to work on it myself .
The engine will not start so i cant check to see where the oil is coming from as the turbo wont turn on its own . any ideas how to run this ie remove stuck wheel on turbo etc
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Judging from that wire photo you posted, some one did some questionable wire work. So that may be a reason you didn't get a low oil warning. Looks like there is no wire going to the switch on the oil filter housing. I wonder if the one on the head is off too.
Put a jumper wire from the positive terminal on the battery to the stop solinoid on the pump. The car should start with a stuck turbo, unless the low oil event nuked the rings too.
How did you decide to stop and check your oil? Was the engine making any strange sounds?
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may seem strange but the oil light and beep came on for a second and went off so stoped as soon as possible to top up , then carried on the rest of the journey , still had oil in when i checked it back home in the morning too. There was no strange noises from the engine but turbo did sound a bit noisy compared to the last one , but still pulled well all the way home and at idle everything sounded as usuall when i stoped at my house.
Im just wondering if the cold start and idle has been messed with at the garage because it was idling quite low when i picked it up, how do i change this on the new type aaz engine as its different than my older model which had a thin vertical screw thing
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So, is the leak fixed? What was leaking?
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Garage just informed me that the engine has broken saying ,its smoking like mad he recons a piston has broken and that i need a new engine so looks like im gonna have to sell it or strip it .......not happy!
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I'd get a second opinion. With all that oil blowing everywhere it may have been excessive crankcase pressure from a clogged hose which can force oil into the engine. Although having run it out of oil or low on oil several times a bad ring(s) is not out of the likely.
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yeh suppose i could try a second opinion , never run it completly out of oil and only once had the light flash on at me too, ive always checked it before a journey because of the leak off the crank case breather bottom bit
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quick update , got car back from garage , they towed it to start it and it idles fine no strange noises and i drove it home in heavy traffic and overtook someone and all feels normal , stoped the car at home for about half an hour and started straight away although starter motor did sound a little strange.
Gonna take some pics tomorow and put on ebay , the car has got new weitec coilovers on and 17" wheels with newish tyres a newish cylinder head and spare turbo too the car is a estate but i also have the rear coilovers from a hatch if anyone is intersted before i list just pm me
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So what was wrong with it?
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they recon its breathing too much ie damage to a piston but surely that would mean it would run funny so im giving up , i havent got time to fix it
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Right car is now on ebay see here if anyone is interested
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E-bay add tells a different tale to this thread doesn't it!
never let me down yet
:lol:
small leak from crank case breather pipe common fault new part easily fitted for litle money just 2 allen bolts to remove
Turbo maybe on its way out but still gives good power hence the spare turbo with listing
cold starting problem but runs and starts all day once warm maybe glow plugs
:lol:
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What a soap opera.
Car sold for £475.00.
Winning bidder was "brett123hol", who has only one E-Bay feedback, and it's as follows:
"A totally dishonest and disreputable person to do any business with. Be Warned !"
Instant karma's gonna get you...