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June 23, 2013, 02:06:31 pm

coolclay

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Matching my engine to an Injection Pump
« on: June 23, 2013, 02:06:31 pm »
So long story short, I purchased my '81 Rabbit Pickup in 2008 and have driven it cross-country 3 times .

The whole time assuming my engine was the stock 1.6. Now I am changing out the injection pump, and realize that I have bosch pump # 0-460-494-005. According to online sources this pump is designed for the 1.5L (78-80) and that the correct pump for the '81 1.6L is 0-460-494-077.

Now of course it's likely the engine is not stock but I am having trouble identifying whether my engine is a 1.5 or 1.6. The head says 81 and has 2 nipples and 058-103-373M. So does the 81 on the head indicate it is actually an '81 1.6 and I should change the IP to 077? Or should I stick with what I've been driving it with for the past 4 years.

Can anyone out there help me figure out what I am dealing with! Thanks bunches!

Reply #1June 23, 2013, 02:11:09 pm

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Re: Matching my engine to an Injection Pump
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2013, 02:11:09 pm »
Doesn't really matter.. They will all run it just fine. ;)

Reply #2June 23, 2013, 03:49:45 pm

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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2013, 03:49:45 pm »
Doesn't really matter.. They will all run it just fine. ;)

I put a 1.5 pump on my 85 jetta for a few months just to see and I didn't notice any difference
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Reply #3June 23, 2013, 03:58:55 pm

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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2013, 03:58:55 pm »
We don't know what the difference really is, and it isn't readily apparent in use, even though the people that designed the things clearly made a lot of distinctions between injection systems on various motors. To be more specific.

I have an obscure 80's Audi 80 1.6L pump on my NA 1.9L that "runs fine" too, but it isn't optimal.

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Reply #4June 23, 2013, 04:22:32 pm

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Re: Matching my engine to an Injection Pump
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2013, 04:22:32 pm »
Good to know! So can anyone tell me if my engine is actually a 1.6 based upon a head that says 81 and has 2 nipples and 058-103-373M?

Reply #5June 23, 2013, 05:53:56 pm

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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2013, 05:53:56 pm »
There are a few things that differ the two.. Head-bolts are a for sure, and the crank bolt is another 50/50 tell-tale. They have been wrong though.


Reply #6June 23, 2013, 07:21:57 pm

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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2013, 07:21:57 pm »
Isn't it stamped on the back of the block 1.6?

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Reply #7June 23, 2013, 08:00:54 pm

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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2013, 08:00:54 pm »
Also I know the 1.6 codes pretty well, stamped on the front.

Reply #8June 23, 2013, 11:15:34 pm

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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2013, 11:15:34 pm »
It could just be the housing of the injection pump too, with the old build tag on the housing, and different internals. But who knows. I've heard there is something shops are supposed to do to the build tag to indicate the pump has been changed internally but I doubt it's done often. I have a housing from who knows what on my Dodge because one of the springs broke inside and trashed the housing.

Also, where is this online source of information that tells you what vehicles each part fits? I want to know.

And yes, the blocks should have the displacement cast into them somewhere, in big numerals, but you may have to crawl up under the engine to see.

Reply #9June 24, 2013, 10:10:17 am

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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2013, 10:10:17 am »
It could just be the housing of the injection pump too, with the old build tag on the housing, and different internals. But who knows. I've heard there is something shops are supposed to do to the build tag to indicate the pump has been changed internally but I doubt it's done often. I have a housing from who knows what on my Dodge because one of the springs broke inside and trashed the housing.

Also, where is this online source of information that tells you what vehicles each part fits? I want to know.

And yes, the blocks should have the displacement cast into them somewhere, in big numerals, but you may have to crawl up under the engine to see.

I could have sworn it was on the backside of the block in tall cast numbers.

On the PN's, there's lots of little references, I usually search a specific number and find the app.  I don't have a single go-to, other than ETK of course.
I found some Italian site with a TON of Bosch nozzle and injector numbers awhile ago.
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Reply #10June 24, 2013, 04:11:59 pm

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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2013, 04:11:59 pm »
Also, where is this online source of information that tells you what vehicles each part fits? I want to know.

All the Bosch VE stuff is interchangeable as they all share the same Bosch pump family, VE.

I have mixed and match many many many pieces to get my own stuff going in the past when needed.. It all turned out the exact same, and they all ran great.

Reply #11June 24, 2013, 04:15:52 pm

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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2013, 04:15:52 pm »
All the Bosch VE stuff is interchangeable as they all share the same Bosch pump family, VE.

Some stuff needs modifying if you want to go crazy.. lol

Reply #12June 26, 2013, 03:19:14 pm

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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2013, 03:19:14 pm »
I just searched the different numbers and see what google has to say about it. Oregon Fuel Injection for example has a few part numbers and what they fit http://oregonfuelinjection.com/index.php?pid=35#VW_REBUILT_INJECTION_PUMPS_NON_TDI


Also I know the 1.6 codes pretty well, stamped on the front.

What code are you referring too? Like what is stamped on the head which is 058-103-373M?

Reply #13June 26, 2013, 05:35:00 pm

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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2013, 05:35:00 pm »
That's a part number, unless its a casting number masquerading as a part number. Germans do that sometimes.

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Reply #14June 27, 2013, 12:12:50 pm

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« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2013, 12:12:50 pm »
i have a 1.5 yellow dot pump on my 1.6 rabbit and it runs fine.
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